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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by SirGalahad, 16 Jun 2021.

  1. fillyboy

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    I think we can safely assume you'd have proved me wrong by now if that were the case. Did you know that Arabs are legally entitled to vote in Israeli Elections?
     
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  3. All the Arab residents in Israel?
     
  4. fillyboy

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    No, Israeli Arabs, the ones who have decided to adopt residency. If they didn't adopt residency, they would have no more right to vote in Israeli elections than the the French elections,
     
  5. What about Arabs who live in places forcibly adopted by Israel?
     
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    Can Israelis vote in Gaza?
     
  7. Scarlet Pimpernel

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    Like the Republicans didn't have a policy of disenfranchising black people, you mean.
    There's the public statement about what citizens and residents a re supposedly allowed to do, and what is reality.
    Israeli Arabs, the ones that are supposedly entitled to vote, are as good as disenfranchised by numerous mechanisms, some of them official, and others unwritten, adopted practices.

    Israeli Arabs are denied a vote by several mechanisms.
    Read more: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/compulsory-vaccinations.572079/page-2#ixzz6yJOCZPMr


    Voting in Arab Society (2012), a study released by The Abraham Fund Initiatives points to a widespread desire among Arabs in Israel to take part in the decision-making process. However, to borrow terms from the business world, the Arab minority wants to be part of the board of directors, rather than a silent stakeholder. As long as this wish for effective participation is not fulfilled, most Arab citizens will continue to feel that voting is worthless.
    https://fathomjournal.org/why-dont-the-arabs-of-israel-vote-more/


    The events of October 2000 caused many Arabs to question the nature of their Israeli citizenship. To a large extent, they boycotted the 2001 Israeli Elections as a means of protest.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel


    All citizens of Israel, whether Jews or Arabs, would be required to pledge an oath of allegiance to retain citizenship. Those who refuse could remain in Israel as permanent residents
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel


    Arabs living in East Jerusalem, occupied and administered by Israel since the Six-Day War of 1967, are a special case. Although they hold Israeli ID cards, most are permanent residents since few accepted Israel's offer of citizenship after the war's end, refusing to recognize its sovereignty, and most maintain close ties with the West Bank.[19] As permanent residents, they are eligible to vote in Jerusalem's municipal elections, although only a small percentage takes advantage of this right.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel


    The phrase demographic threat (or demographic bomb) is used within the Israeli political sphere to describe the growth of Israel's Arab citizenry as constituting a threat to its maintenance of its status as a Jewish state with a Jewish demographic majority. In the northern part of Israel the percentage of the population that is Jewish is declining.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel


    Several politicians have viewed the Arabs in Israel as a security and demographic threat
    The phrase "demographic bomb" was famously used by Benjamin Netanyahu in 2003 when he noted that, if the percentage of Arab citizens rises above its current level of about 20 percent, Israel will not be able to maintain a Jewish demographic majority
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel



    The Arab citizens of Israel, who comprise slightly more than one-fifth of Israel’s total population, possess the same rights as Jewish Israelis under the law.
    Some members of this community identify themselves as “Palestinian citizens of Israel” or just as Palestinian to indicate their rejection of Israeli identity. Others prefer to be referred to as Arab citizens of Israel because they are seeking equal rights as Israeli citizens.
    The phrase is used in this Backgrounder, as it represents the current political and legal reality.

    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel
    And let us not forget the vast majority of Arabs that were expelled after the creation of Israel.
    Arab citizens of Israel descend from those who remained after the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, which led to Israel’s creation out of the British Mandate of Palestine, then home to about 1.2 million Arabs. After more than 700,000 of them were expelled or departed from Israel in what they call the Nakba, or catastrophe, about 150,000 remained and automatically became citizens, forming about half of the country’s population. But unlike Jewish citizens, these people were subjected to military rule until 1966.
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel

    Technically you don’t have redlining, technically you don’t have formal, Jim Crow–type segregation. In practice you do,” says Palestinian American historian Rashid Khalidi.
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel
    So since the creation of Israel, when half of the population of Israel were remaining Arabs (although well over 75% of the then current Arab population had been expelled), the Arab population of Israel has dwindled to about 20% mainly by overt discrimination against Arabs in Israel.
     
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    If they live there indeed they can...

    And in Palestine as a whole Christians are also guaranteed a share of the vote under PR
     
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    If you forcibly remove people from their own property but leave them no alternative, but to go and live in Gaza or the West Bank, you have disenfranchised them, which is perfectly legal in Israel.
    Even though Israel controls Gaza and the West Bank it does not allow those citizens any democratic participation in the government. Therefore it is, in effect, a prison.
     
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    I would term it as two massive concentration camps...

    Almost 5 million people just hoping to live from day to day...

    The thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history!

    Oh, and I've been to the west bank (occupied territory) when the Israelis were ripping up Palestinian olive groves and had a rather 'interesting' confrontation with an Israeli soldier!
     
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    Yes because lots of Arabs live in Israel. And you can get Arab Jews...
     
  13. SirGalahad

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    How do you post as if you're drunk but are tee total?

    So that means their GDP per head has improved. Look

    If thats based on relative economic strength so the better off get less as they don't need it as much?

    Not read this. Any links. Interesting no doubt.

    Lol. UK Voted for Brexit and they decided to place the border in the Irish Sea - why do you want to forget what Bojo signed? It just makes you look ridiculous.

    Are you comparing like for like beef? In Australia you can transport live animals for upto 48 hours without water. You want that meat?

    This doesn't make any sense. So if Ireland was outside of the EU they could carry on this low corp tax? But you just said the biggest economy the US would try enforce that whether in or out of the EU.

    The Tories have never neen the Unionist party. They have set NI as the gambit to break the Single Market or break NI unionists hopes. Either we go hard border in NI or we let it go.
     
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    My impression is it's more based on what Macron demands.

    Do you not have Google on your computer?

    Brexit: Republic of Ireland to lose 15% of fishing quota - BBC News

    As I pointed out on another thread, 20% of all border checks carried out by the eu are in NI, and that's in the grace period, demonstrates the eu are being heavy handed or interpreting the rules in a that they don't for other countries

    The EU have been trying for years to reign in ROI on corporation tax but ROI have a veto, at the moment. As you will be aware moves are afoot to remove some of if not all vetos.
    I think the US could still hold some sway on ROI tax levels if they were out of the EU, in the event they couldn't, they could certainly do it via domestic law given the countries paying minimal tax are American.
     
  15. I quite like biltong.
     
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    Of course the rules in Europe are more stringent, if only we stuck to them.


    transport-in-europe-report.pdf (ciwf.org.uk)
     
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    Strawman.
     
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