UPDATED: Hanging ceiling light from ceiling rose

[xyz321]

Hi, i tried to post this properly last time but for some reasons only the link below came up in thread.

we are looking to hang a new multi arm ceiling pendant as one below:

http://www.homebase.co.uk/webapp/wc...storeId=10151&partNumber=138747&stop_mobi=yes

Our current fitting is like the photo below:

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b576/lat321/IMAG0519_zps9d1f3fd3.jpg

I have few queries and would appreciate some help.

First of all i dont intend to do this myself.

the instructions that came with it say that ensure that the screw goes in ceiling joists by at least 2 cm. The fitting weighs about 4.5 kG.

now i am not sure if the electrician will be able to find a joist. I am asking as i dont know any electrician locally and will have to call one and rely on his/her word. so i want to know if electrician will be able to find joist. and how is it normally done so i can see if its done properly!

Sorry if i sould distrusting but i dont want to end up in a problem with poor installation and also dont want to end up in situation where i call electrician they turn up and say that fitting is too heavy and it cant be done.

In the photo there are two screw holes which have been filled so may be the joist is in the centre line between those two holes!

Previous owner did have a multi arm fitting in same location, but i dont know of the weight of their fitting and neither can i see any screw holes where that was hung from.

If it matters, house is from 1953.

Thanks a lot to previous poster who replied despite full post not visible.

ta

 

[riveralt]

http://www.homebase.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=110&storeId=10151&partNumber=138747&stop_mobi=yes

No you can't hang this ceiling light from an existing ceiling rose - this is what you need to do electrically.
//www.diynot.com/wiki/electrics:lighting:rose

 

[xyz321]

http://www.homebase.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=110&storeId=10151&partNumber=138747&stop_mobi=yes

No you can't hang this ceiling light from an existing ceiling rose - this is what you need to do electrically.
//www.diynot.com/wiki/electrics:lighting:rose[/QUOTE]

Thanks. i have updated the post as for some reasons all the text had disappeared from post. ta

 

[sparkwright]

The holes used to fix the existing fitting should line up with the holes on your new fitting.

Hopefully the existing fitting is screwed into something substantial.

Since you say the house was built in 1953, when things were done properly, there should be a wooden noggin just above the ceiling to fix to.

Assuming there is, make sure you have two screws long enough to go through the new light fitting, through the plaster ceiling rose, through the ceilling board, and into the wooden noggin or joist.

 

[xyz321]

The holes used to fix the existing fitting should line up with the holes on your new fitting.

Hopefully the existing fitting is screwed into something substantial.

Since you say the house was built in 1953, when things were done properly, there should be a wooden noggin just above the ceiling to fix to.

Assuming there is, make sure you have two screws long enough to go through the new light fitting, through the plaster ceiling rose, through the ceilling board, and into the wooden noggin or joist.

Thanks. The existing fitting is just a single lamp so I don't know if it's fitted to a joist. How do I find out if it's fitted to joist. Will electrician be able to find the joist? Ta

 

[riveralt]

The current ceiling rose will/should have been set adjacent to a joist.
The only way to find out is to undo the ceiling rose and see if the screws inserted to hold the rose up go into wood (the joist) or plaster via a wall plug or some other fixing.

 

[xyz321]

The current ceiling rose will/should have been set adjacent to a joist.
The only way to find out is to undo the ceiling rose and see if the screws inserted to hold the rose up go into wood (the joist) or plaster via a wall plug or some other fixing.

Thanks.Stupid question but how do I know if the screw under ceilling rose goes into joust or not. If I can see the screw how do I know it goes into joist or floor board. Ta

 

[sparkwright]

Loosen the two screws holding up the existing fitting.

See how tight they feel.

Screw them back in. Are they nice and tight? Or do they go round and round?

Take out the screws and measure how long they are.

 

[riveralt]

Thanks.Stupid question but how do I know if the screw under ceilling rose goes into joust or not. If I can see the screw how do I know it goes into joist or floor board. Ta

With the power off undo the screws you should be able to feel if they are screwed into wood or plasterboard and fresh air.
Failing that stick a sharp thin screwdriver along the centre between the two holes and push.
Come on this is very basic stuff here.

 

[xyz321]

Come on this is very basic stuff here.

For most it may as well be basic but not for me. thats why i said a stupid question!

 

[xyz321]

Just to update anyone who might be interested. Had a electrician around. He said he will have to lift carpets in upstairs room to confirm if there is a joist and wants to charge £120 for that (we are in london!). so looks like Chandelier is going back to the shop! what a shame!

 

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[ban-all-sheds]

Just to update anyone who might be interested. Had a electrician around. He said he will have to lift carpets in upstairs room to confirm if there is a joist and wants to charge £120 for that

Surely you can lift carpets and check, for a cost of £0?

 

[JohnW2]

Just to update anyone who might be interested. Had a electrician around. He said he will have to lift carpets in upstairs room to confirm if there is a joist and wants to charge £120 for that

Surely you can lift carpets and check, for a cost of £0?

Indeed - or do some probing through the ceiling himself to get the answer, again for £0.

Kind Regards, John

 

[Johnmelad]

Just to update anyone who might be interested. Had a electrician around. He said he will have to lift carpets in upstairs room to confirm if there is a joist and wants to charge £120 for that (we are in london!). so looks like Chandelier is going back to the shop! what a shame!

You do not need to lift the carpet to confirm if there is a joist. If there were none, your ceiling would fall down.