US tarrifs. 10% U.K., 20% EU.

Sorry mate. I showed the workings out ( selected two countries at random). I do not understand your point about elasticity. The formula that Trump has used is very straight forward, and based on nothing more than trade deficits Vs imports. I have, previously checked about 10 different countries. My maths was correct on each occasion. Other than trade deficits and imports, there are zero variables. It is more BS from Trump and nothing to do with elasticity.

Your workings were spot on. But some economists are saying that the formula itself is wrong. This is the full formula Trump used:

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Apparently, delta Ti is the amount of extra tariffs which USA needs to impose to reduce the trade deficit with a particular country to zero. mi is imports from the other country, I think, and xi is exports. There are two weird symbols on the bottom line, which apparently each represent a different type of elasticity. Handily, Trump's team used values of 4 and 0.25 for these symbols, which when multiplied together equal 1.0. So, that makes the calculations very easy. What some economists are saying, however, is that one of those funny symbols on the bottom line should actually be four times larger than the figure Trump's team used; it should be 1.0 rather than 0.25. Therefore, all the figures Trump gave for the tariffs are four times too big. So, instead of your figure of 90% for Vietnam, the figure would have been 22.5% if Trump's team had worked out the correct formula in the first place.
 
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Tariffs be that as it may

Biggest threat to the UK economy is this race to nett zero ball cocks imo
Exactly. We are destroying our economy for an impossible target that makes no difference to the world other than we are making a statement.
 
We are destroying our economy for an impossible target that makes no difference to the world other than we are making a statement.
I see your point but it’s not that simple

There is a technological race for renewables and if we aren’t in that race we will end up be overtaken by foreign competitors.

If we don’t have governments setting targets and we leave it to private industry nothing would move forward.
 
I see your point but it’s not that simple

There is a technological race for renewables and if we aren’t in that race we will end up be overtaken by foreign competitors.

If we don’t have governments setting targets and we leave it to private industry nothing would move forward.
Look at the cost of renewables, I am all for renewables and eco technology, see my secret lights for that.. However the cost of renewables is so out of the average persons purse that nobody can afford them.
 
indeed, we need it invest in coal mines and keep building badly insulated houses.

Coal mines ??? Nah

Dunno if the 1.5 million homes they are building will be badly insulated or not ?

Mind you the 1. 5 million homes in the next 4 / 5 years is another load of ball cocks

Nett zero :ROFLMAO:

Yes exactly
 
Look at the cost of renewables, I am all for renewables and eco technology, see my secret lights for that.. However the cost of renewables is so out of the average persons purse that nobody can afford them.
Eh?

Electricity from renewables has been lower than electicity from gas power station for a long time.
 
Nett zero :ROFLMAO:

Yes exactly
Damn right, we need to get rid of all those stupid interconnectors that allow us to buy cheap French nuclear power. We should depend on local gas power, no matter the cost.
 
Electricity from renewables has been lower than electicity from gas power station for a long time.
There is an ongoing debate as to whether nuclear is a renewable energy source, but is is acknowledged that it is a low carbon source...

So if it is renewable it's certainly a far more expensive form of electricity generation than that from a gas power station...

But in any case there has to be a back up energy source for when the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow, so as the UK is going down the nuclear route the huge costs involved must be added to the equation.
 
There is an ongoing debate as to whether nuclear is a renewable energy source, but is is acknowledged that it is a low carbon source...

So if it is renewable it's certainly a far more expensive form of electricity generation than that from a gas power station...

But in any case there has to be a back up energy source for when the sun doesn't shine or the wind doesn't blow, so as the UK is going down the nuclear route the huge costs involved must be added to the equation.
Nuclear isn't as expensive as often claimed. Especially compared with renewables.

The issue here is mainly that renewables' cost claims omit the cost of backup, be it storage or a fossil fuel back up. You need that extra capacity to make renewables technically feasible, and this adds to the cost. To rely on renewables entirely, and to build enough backup to supply enough power over every foreseeable issue, would be entirely uneconomic.

However, there is also the fact that fossil fuel companies have pulled back from renewables. Why? Because even though they are cheap (at the point of installation), they are not profitable compared with fossil fuels.

But it goes further than this when comparing the cost of energy sources. Renewables are often quoted as being cheaper but this goes by Levelised Cost of Energy. This is poor metric to compare nuclear with renewables. The reasons are lengthy, and here is a good discussion as to why:
But basically, it doesn't account for the fact that a nuclear plant supplies reliable energy for many more decades over the life of the plant that the equivalent sized wind farm or solar farm would. There are other issues, but this is a key point.

Then there's the cost of carbon that isn't accounted for when comparing with fossil fuels. If you account for the hidden cost of fossil fuels, they suddenly cost far more.

Renewables look cheap ATM, as they don't have to rely on a large proportion of back up to keep them viable, but they are built in enough quantities to keep the costs down. We need more of course, but there is a limit as to what we can achieve by renewables alone.
 
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Damn right, we need to get rid of all those stupid interconnectors that allow us to buy cheap French nuclear power. We should depend on local gas power, no matter the cost.

Cheap :ROFLMAO:

Nett zero one big con / rip off
 
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