
cheers ron gamma, tried that but because there on alloys and not steel rims didnt leave much room.
anyway pleased to say i got them off in the end

. used a small inch grinding wheel in a mains drill and then a thin spindal type grinder, and like most things after the first one it got easier , bit nerve racking to make sure i didnt go to far with the last grinder

. also on the 3rd valve the inside of the valve came loose and as i didnt have a cap to shuv on it i ended up with a flat tyre

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got spare on and got that sorted , done last valve ok/ and changed wheels [ spare ] back over and apart from the rubber looking a bit sorry for it self [ bit of superglue sorted that out ] job done . and still £20 up.
have,nt heard of anyone else had problems or superglue mentioned and didnt see any sighn of it but good thinking , never know do ya, bloke at tyre place said i probally done em to tight and salt water done the rest.
anyway once again thanks for all replies. r.r. [ long reply as usual ]