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What’s your opinion on this BG boiler quote?

Discussion in 'Plumbing and Central Heating' started by Mottie, 17 Apr 2018.

  1. Nige F

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    I can't see any details:unsure:
     
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    Neither could I but it wasn’t worth arguing over. And it wasn’t a marker of any sort whatsoever, it was done in photo editor on my iPad. Perhaps someone had their X-Ray specs on. :whistle:
     
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    Good point - probably had them for other things originally;).
     
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    Had my boiler replaced in December, BG quote was £4500. Local independent I went for did the lot for just over £1800, and did an excellent job.
     
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  6. Mottie

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    Had my local plumbing firm out last week - they carried out the conversion to a sealed system and unvented hot water cylinder 16 months ago - I'm still waiting for them to get back to me with a price. A friends sons mate is a registered gas fitter. I've asked him if he's interested in fitting the boiler if I get it. He gave me a couple of days/times for him to come round and look but I couldn't make those dates but he said he didn't like condensate pumps, especially when in the lofts so he asked for pictures of existing boiler location, flue, pipe runs and pictures of the soil stack etc, which I did last night so waiting to hear back from him too.
     
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    Well, I’ve received my written quote today from my local installer:

    To supply and fit a Vaillant Ecotec plus 418 boiler and new flue, chemical flush, supply and fit a condensate pump, add inhibitor. Vent and balance system, show you how it all works etc, remove old redundant boiler and materials and dispose of unless told otherwise, carry out a free visual safety inspection on any existing gas appliances and advise accordingly. Inform gas safe register who will notify building control who will then issue a certificate of approval.

    No mention of scaffolding or towers or guard rails around the loft hatch. :D

    Guaranteed parts and labour for 8 years. First year jointly by the installer and Vaillant. Following 7 years covered by boiler manufacturer subject to an annual service by any Gas Safe registered company.

    Guarantee for defective workmanship for 2 years.

    No deposit required, full payment with 7 days of invoice after completion.

    £2,120 inc vat.

    I’m very happy with that except for the condensate pump. I’d rather have gravity take that away so I'll have to get them back to discuss that. I’ve got one 'normal' gravity bog in my house and one pumped one. I’ve had trouble with the macerator three times and don’t have confidence in a pump - it’s just one more thing that can go wrong.

    What’s people’s opinions of condensate pumps?
     
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    Going from your pictures I can’t see an external drain to tie into for a condensate & bear in mind if there’s one outside the picture it will be a long run liable to freeze in cold conditions (don’t trust condensulate or standard lagging to keep it from freezing). Condy pumps are generally reliable & are designed to cut power to the boiler if they fail to prevent it over filling.
    Other option is external run with a trace heater but not the most pleasing on the eye for a long run.
     
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    Thanks. That’s handy to know about the boiler cut out on the condensate pump. Are they noisy in operation? How much of a fall do you need for a gravity condensate drain and what size pipe can you get away with? I’m sure the one round my Mums house was just a white plastic 22mm pipe. I was hoping that all condensate drain piping would be in the loft but I wouldn’t be too bothered if it came out through the flank wall and round to the soil stack - I’ve seen it done on a house down the road and it wouldn’t bother me if that was the only way but if you look at the photo, you can see where my boiler is fitted on the flank wall and I was hoping to feed it into the soil stack where it passes through the soffit void. I could even get up there myself, remove the roof tiles in that area and make the connection to the stack ready for them to connect up to - hence my question regarding condensate drain size and fall.

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    The condensate pumps come on for around 2 seconds when it fills. If you do it the way your thinking would you be happy to go and get your ladders in the ice & try defrost in winter if it freezes? Accept liability if it backs up and causes any damage to the boiler?
    You’ve got someone round to quote it why not just take their advice?
     
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    Yeah, thanks, I see your point but hopefully, if it’s all inside it won’t freeze - or is there less chance of it freezing with a pump? You’ve given me something else to consider now. Even if it does freeze, if it’s all inside, at least I can just go up in the loft with a hot-air blower and there’ll be no need to get the ladders out in mid-winter! So far I’ve had two quotes. BG gave a quote and there was no mention of a condensate pump so two different methods from two different installers. Confusing!
     
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    Best practice is to run a condensate internally. It will go outside at some point to connect which is where it would freeze not in the loft
     
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    So many questions. So many doubts. 5 pages of moans, groans and queries.

    And, yet, you have a macerator WC :eek:
     
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    ...And that’s why I have my concerns about a condensate pump. Anyway, without moans, groans and queries, there’d be no point in a forum!


    That’s why I’d prefer to connect to the soil stack inside the loft.
     
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    Five pages plus a bunch of thread hi-jacks!

    Nozzle
     
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    Once had a greenstar terminating the condensate into the same waste as a macerator.
    The waste choked and the macerator pumped all the shît right back into the boiler.
    Case went back on very quickly & it was new boiler time.
     
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