What is the best Brexit deal we can realistically achieve?

[SirGalahad]

So the EU single market is predicated on the principles of four freedoms - freedom of movement of people, capital, goods, services.

We are now in the situation where we will be leaving the single market only to apply for access to it once again.

 

[Roger928]

When we signed up to the eu originally we didn't agree to trade goods for plebs, beggars and slackers.
So the eu and their banner waving entourage can go and stick their freedom of movement legislation where the sun don't shine.

 

[JohnD]

the anti-Europeans want option 4.

But it is such a bad option that none of them would admit it prior to the referendum.

Outcomes

• JohnD
• 18 Aug 2016
• 1

 

[transam]

As david Davis said on the radio the 1st item on the agenda is the rights of EU nationals in the U.K

and UK nationals living in the EU

This needs to be sorted asap

there after well er what ever I say .

should be a disscusion on the price of Veissmann boiler spares erp circulating pumps erp labelling why is the postal service in Spain s***e

why do the germans hog all the deck chairs on holiday & take part in burping contests

and what exactly is in some of them german sausages

Why were Romanian diplomats seen wandering down the street in the early hours with a rolled up hotel carpet on there shoulders????

 

[Brigadier]

The vote was leave, or remain.

After Leave, the actual terms were up for negotiation.

In negotiation, you don't show your hand.

The EU really did not want anyone to leave, hence the set-up. Effectively, Project Fear.

 

[JohnD]

In negotiation, you don't show your hand.

The UK government doesn't know what it wants, and the electorate didn't vote on anything in particular. A year after the referendum, and the UK hasn't assembled its strategy.

Its nonsense that the two parties "aren't going to show their hands." On one side, 27 nations have to agree on their objectives and priorities. You couldn't keep it secret even if you wanted to. The Quitters have already shot Britain in the head. The EU has no need, and no desire, to punish Britain. That's just a foolish tale made up by the Quitters hoping to blame someone else for the ****fest that the anti-Europeans voted for.

 

[transam]

davis was on radio this morning stating their position

1st was eu nationals uk nationals

cannot remember what the other points were . He is a clued up bloke , strategy is all planed out

just cause u do not know it does not mean there is not a plan. Plan A & Plan B , C & D

What is corbyns plan ?? drop his trouser & lube up would pretty much sum it up thank fully we will not have to find out

The DUP are with em

 

[transam]

And incidenatally if u had been a bit more forceful in your general election prediction ( which u got correct)

I might have put a bet on the out come & made a few squid

what do u reckon about the general election being called any thoughts on the subject

 

[Brigadier]

The UK government doesn't know what it wants, and the electorate didn't vote on anything in particular.

They did; they voted Leave, in preference to Remain.

 

[motorbiking]

In negotiation, if you tell someone you really, really want/must have X, then guess what X, gets friggin expensive. Personally I thought you start with a premise that hard brexit is fine, by us, then you work on something better for both sides. The EU are not only trying to dictate the rules for negotiation, but also to ensure the UK is worse off.

Frankly hard or soft brexit, are meaningless until you work out the price tag.

 

[wobs]

the anti-Europeans want option 4.

But it is such a bad option that none of them would admit it prior to the referendum.

Outcomes

• JohnD
• 18 Aug 2016
• 1

Or to put it another way:

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

The EU are not only trying to dictate the rules for negotiation, but also to ensure the UK is worse off.

Despite EU stating categorically that they do not wish to punish UK?
Despite TM stating categorically that "no deal is better than a bad deal".
It seems to me that with all the avoidance of entering into discussions a more accurate strap line would be "no deal is easier than any deal". Maybe TM cannot enter into discussions because there is no plan! They do not know what they want!

Frankly hard or soft brexit, are meaningless until you work out the price tag.

I think most of us understand the difference between soft and hard Brexit. However, soft Brexit will undoubtedly be more expensive in the long run than staying in.
A hard Brexit will undoubtedly be more expensive initially (5 -10 years, maybe longer) than any other option.

 

[motorbiking]

Square One Law are not impartial, they have (or had) vested interests (as do many EU law firms) in the UK staying in the EU. A lot of similar firms have gone under as the work has literally dried up

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

the anti-Europeans want option 4.

But it is such a bad option that none of them would admit it prior to the referendum.

Outcomes

• JohnD
• 18 Aug 2016
• 1

How many times didn't just one man tell us CLEARLY in just one interview that we would be voting to leave the single market..?

 

[Corgigrouch GTi]

Hard and soft Brexit are terms created by the media... There is Brexit, anything after that is what we negotiate as a free and democratic state.