Why i hate ASBOS

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Lincsbodger

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...firework-letterbox-bullying-campaign-son.html

Nasty little thug and his gang terrorise an estate, and eventually kill a girl by shoving fireworks through her letterbox and burning the house down with her inside.

he already had an ASBO on him.

so, heres why there a waste of time and need scrapping.

1. Kids with ASBOS dont generally give a ****, wear an ASBO like a badge of Honour. The rate at which ASBOS are ignored is massive. You see regularly stories of kids being dragged back into court for breaching them, and the courts do nothing, just smack there wrists and send them on there way. There unenforced, and unenforceable. In 2006 The Home Office said 47% of ASBOS were breached each year. A National Audit Office study put the figure at 55%. The NAO, which analysed 1,000 cases dating from 1999 to April 2006, said 35% of Asbo holders had breached their order five or more times. FIVE TIMES??? Its a joke!!!!

The little thug in question had EIGHT previous convictions for criminal damage and common assault, and had breached his Asbo several times. WHY was this nasty little prick STILL walking around free????.

The order meant he should have faced jail if he caused trouble anywhere in England and Wales.

2. Theres also a further worry. ASBOS make something that is otherwise legal, like walking down a street, illegal for just one person. This really is an horrendously undemocratic thing. The law MUST apply not only fairly and evenly, but also equally to all. So have a law for me, personally, that doesnt apply to the rest of you, is a form of totalitarianism, and very very undemocratic, and deprives me of my civil liberties.

3. If im doing somethign wrong, that needs to be stopped, then we need a properly written law that applies to all. The only reason we have ASBOS's is because Labour was utterly incompetent and unable to write even the most basic statute with leaving it full of loopholes and exploits.

ASBO's are being used in cases where they were not intended to be used, in highly inappropriate ways - theres cases of ASBOS' to stop ice cream vans, to stop little old ladies from feeding the ducks, and stop old men from walking there dogs, and even to stop a pet shop selling goldfish to people. The whole concept is being abused by the petty bureaucrats (as usual). Labour never learned, or ignored, the fact that if you give legal powers to tin pot council workers, they WILL use those powers inappropriately and with a vengeance ( c.f RIPA)

The case in the link, the little thug should have been prosecuted a long time ago for threatening and abusive behavior. or intimidation, and chucked in a youth offenders institute, to send a clear message to him, then maybe this wouldn't have happened. What it does show is that Labours claim claim to be 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime' was, as usual, nothing more than hollow spin with no substance, that they never had any intention of implementing.
 
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The case in the link, the little thug should have been prosecuted a long time ago for threatening and abusive behavior. or intimidation, and chucked in a youth offenders institute,

Clearly doesn't work ...........
Far too soft.
The WHOLE prison system needs to be revised.
Lack of decent parental care .......and fundamentally .....it boils down to education and discipline.

Worlds gone mad.
 
Wholeheartedly agree Lincs. But what do we replace them with?
In this day and age we have the horrendous human rights act which seems to me to be heavily biased in favour of criminals. Every day/ week in the press we read horror stories, where the rights of the perpetrator come way above the rights of the victim.
I reckon we need a real change in the law here. Let magistrates and judges hand down meaningful sentences appropriate to the crime committed.
Prisons are full... Well bloody well build more. Make them harsh environments where people don't want to be. No TV, Games machines, Pool Tables etc. Prisoners get bored? Well hard luck.
I'd sooner see some scumbag being bored in prison, than on the streets kicking someone to death simply because he was bored.
Drunken youths terrorising city and town centres on Friday/ Saturday nights?
Arrest them, lock them up till a Monday morning appearance before some magistrate with guts. The guts to punish them properly.
I'd better stop now before my blood pressure reaches dangerous levels though. ;) ;) ;)
 
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Prison ships. Park them in shark infested waters and encourage prisoners to escape. :LOL:
 
stick em in boot camp, make em do the time in the army abroad where they can use their antisocial tendancies to kick the **** out of some enemy combatants..
teaches them discipline and ot respect authority.
 
stick em in boot camp, make em do the time in the army abroad where they can use their antisocial tendancies to kick the s**t out of some enemy combatants..
teaches them discipline and ot respect authority.
Then a lawyer well versed in the human rights law will find a victim bring them over here and sue for breach of human rights for letting a known thug join up and beat the crap out of their client.Whats the point of an asbo they don't work or at least not in this case.
 
They should be made to volunteer for mine clearance duty's , give em a tin hat & apair of snow shoes & tell em to walk across the minefield !! those who survive get to do it again , those who don't will have the satisfaction of knowing that there demise was for the benefit of mankind !
any parent of said scum bag's who voice an objection can acompany there off spring !! violence solve's alot of problem's & if it does not it was because not enough was used !!
 
the parents of teens with ASBO's should be forcibly sterilised. it they can't control the kids they've already got, then they shouldn't have more..

the kid should be sent to a family in scotland and made to work hard on a hillside herding sheep or cows or whatever they have up in the highlands.

the kid should also be forcibly sterilised.. they are bad DNA and should be removed from the gene pool..
 
I'm in agreement with the two posts above by Coljack and Transam. But why sit on the fence, what would you really like them to do? :LOL:
 
I would make the parents personally liable for the actions of the kids until they are 18, and i mean, the brat causes damage to your property, the parents are legally liable to pay for it, no trial, no argument. Also, in this particular case, the parents would also be liable for the legal costs of the trial after the nasty little thug has been jailed.

If you dont want that responsibility, dont have kids. Simples.
 
There probably all on benefit's anyway ??? so the tax payer will end up paying !! people are sick to death of these type's of scumbag's that eat up resource's , arrested re-arrested , involvement of social worker's ect ect court time , legal cost's you can go on & on !
what about the kid's who do the right thing & there parent's what do they get ? nothing !! political correctness is beyond a joke every where you go some do gooder offer's some excuse for there behaviour some are making a fortune out of this nonsense , one time aday your kid's were either well behaved or not now they are badly behaved but there is an excuse they got some syndrone that caused them to attack there neighbour , or torture the old lady's cat (as occured down my wqay ) as far as I am concerned they should have there teeth kicked out & in alot of case's along with there parent's , Mine clearance age limit 12 anyone below 12 would not be sent untill they are 12 !! Rant over !!!
 
A sensible post with 1 or 2 sensible answers, now lets talk about it seriously.

Mine clearing?
Not really on is it?

Joining the forces under forced conscription?
Not a good idea as history shows that when this has been tried in times of conflict they are usually banded into one unit. This unit then had tendencies to 'become a law unto themselves' by disregarding orders as their immediate CO's were often criminals themselves and fell in with the majority view.

Sterilising adults whose kids strayed off the true and narrow/sterilising the kids themselves?
How many of us have perfect kids? How many of us are perfect? Mine have erred slightly, not enough to lead them into court Thank God, but enough to get a stern warning from the police when they did. Thankfully they heeded the warnings. Added to which if you carried out sterilisation the population numbers would drop and there would not be enough native citizens to 'look after us' in our old age and so you would have to allow more immigrants in thereby probably outnumbering the native population and forcing their beliefs/creeds on to us.

Remote farms in Scotland?
Theoretically a possibility but if you were a farmer would you want a thug on your land and probably having to stay in your house? Being in a remote area would give them more time to escape before an alarm was raised if they totally incapacitated the farmer and his family.

Parents liable till they are 18?
A definite yes.

Boot Camps?
Yes, but they need to be run by ex-CO's with a rod of iron. Like the old borstals where discipline was harsh but without the queers/thugs who were often in positions of trust. No games machines, no i-pods/phones etc, daily exercise routines, productive workshops making useful items for disabled people, television limited to say 2 hours per night in a communal area, (programme selection would be by 'secret' ballot each morning from a selected list of suitable viewing. i.e. no porn, no violent films). One 5 minute phone call per week, 2 visitors once a week and finally, (for now), no parole. All sentences would be fully served with good behaviour being rewarded by extra effort from support staff to intergrate them back into a working life. Re-offenders to get a much stiffer sentence next time round.

More Prisons/Prison Ships?
Powerless ships would be the better option. There are plenty waiting to be dismantled so converting them shouldn't be too difficult. Again as in Boot Camps, tough wardens, same conditions and moored at least 5 miles off shore with secure communications room.
 
Well if the mine clearance is not on , than I will go for any option that is violent induce's maximumn pain , & has zero cost or near zero cost to the tax payer :)
 
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