Wiring an old house

Paul Barker said:
OK here's a plumbers reply
That'll get the replies coming! (Oh look, here comes one now...) :D

...PME or TN-CS (Tera Neutral? CS stands for can't see, because the earth connection is hidden in the cutout...
Nice way to remember it, but they actually stand for Combined and Separate, the separation originating at the cutout. (PME = Protective Multiple Earthing, the earth and neutral being combined in a single PEN conductor - Protective Earth & Neutral)

...TNS, which conversely you see...
The S still stands for separate. As you rightly say, the earthing is normally via the cable armour.

...Now you need to buy a brass MET...
Not necessarily; the earth bar inside a domestic CU is designed to do the duty of the MET.

The subject of earthing and bonding - despite actually being very straightforward - is beset with all kinds of myths. There are hard and fast rules, but for some reason sparks like to believe they are open to interpretation.

...but don't forget that boilers are a weard situation which nobody in the field seems to understand correctly...
The same rules apply to boilers, but here the gas fitters like to add their own bit of confusion. :D

...anything outside the equipotential zone (outside the house, is no longer protected by the EEBADS system...
If it's got a Circuit Protective Conductor then EEBAD is still the principle means of protection. However the disconnection times are reduced for equipment with exposed conductive parts because of the lower resistance path of a body in direct contact with the general mass of the earth (reg 471-08-03)

For cheap job (which is what your m8 is wanting I am quite sure), Just put combi on a spur off the kitchen ring
Because safety and convenience are entirely secondary considerations in electrical installations. As everybody knows, it's cost first, safety second. If you are rewiring it is easy, cost effective and far more convenient to provide a boiler with its own supply. It is also actually simpler to provide a greater number of circuits, rather than try to run fixed equipment from spurs on socket circuits.

Upstairs ring doesn't need rcd unless there is a likelyhood of a shower in a bedroom at a future date in which case plan ahead...
I hope you're not suggesting powering a shower from a ring final circuit? In any case the regs do not actually require a shower to be on an RCD (although the manufacturers usually do) but most sparks will RCD-protect all sockets anyway, as you went on to suggest.

Having said all that, not a bad stab... for a plumber. :wink:
 
dingbat said:
Upstairs ring doesn't need rcd unless there is a likelyhood of a shower in a bedroom at a future date in which case plan ahead...
I hope you're not suggesting powering a shower from a ring final circuit? In any case the regs do not actually require a shower to be on an RCD (although the manufacturers usually do) but most sparks will RCD-protect all sockets anyway, as you went on to suggest.

No I was referring to the rule that all sockets in a room which contains a shower have to be rcd protected, and didn't mention but also know that no socket can be within 3m of the shower.

Aparently the EC will be having us put sockets in a bathroom soon, so that pregnant girlies can dry their shower in the bath, when they are having trouble being sensiblely tecnical.
 
ban-all-sheds said:
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Mod Rupert

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WTF????? :shock: This is electrics UK, I cannot see anything here that Ban would take offence to!
 
I didn't take offence at anything.

Nor, I thought, was I abusive in my post, but there ya go.

Basically I passed comment on the sort of person who would write this whining, sneering, inaccurate, xenophobic, misogynistic, sub-Daily Mail stuff:

"Aparently the EC will be having us put sockets in a bathroom soon, so that pregnant girlies can dry their shower in the bath, when they are having trouble being sensiblely tecnical."
 
Holy Shiznit! :shock:

What a thread; we've gone from a plumber trying to explain a rewire to it all ending in tears. :cry:
 

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