Wiring problem ??

[John D v2.0]

can anyone see any sort of earth anywhere?

of course, over there:

 

[rsgaz]

which I can read

I guess you mean "can't". It says...

Test this protective device often
by pressing yellow button.
If it does not switch off
inform your Electrical Contractor. [line is cut off on photo, but I found it elsewhere]


Isn't it a Current Operated one though? Like this.

 

[Heatslave]

I wouldn’t wait a couple of weeks.
The old VoELCB needs replacement. The earthing needs sorting out, and there’s a potential of a line/neutral reversal.
Get yourself an electrician to look at all of that. He can resolve your suspect faulty cable at the same time.

PS the earth will probably be at the VoELCB. And probably connected to an earth rod outside the house, somewhere. It’s worth finding if your supply can be converted to what is known as TNC-S.

Bloody hell, that sounds a bit worrying !! Will speak to my mate, who is the best sparky in the north east......or so he says .

So it's a damp or an old dodgy wiring issue ??

 

[JohnW2]

of course, over there:...

Indeed, I suppose I should have acknowledged that I'd seen that one! Needless to say, I was asking about an earth that was connected to something (at both ends!).

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

I guess you mean "can't".

Good guess My apologies ....

It says...
Test this protective device often by pressing yellow button. If it does not switch off inform your Electrical Contractor. [line is cut off on photo, but I found it elsewhere]

Thanks.

Isn't it a Current Operated one though? Like this.

Dunno. That writing doesn't help - but, given its apparent age (and size), it might well be expected to be a VOELB.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

https://www.flameport.com/electric_museum/old_elcb/crabtree_elcb_2.cs4

 

[rsgaz]

https://www.flameport.com/electric_museum/old_elcb/crabtree_elcb_2.cs4

That is indeed a voltage operated one. Which would have been installed just by itself...(with two earth wires showing, too)

...not in any enclosure. The OP's one, in the enclosure, is because it has the sensing coil, so surely it's a COELCB?

Sadly, Crabtree decided to make them look identical otherwise!

 

[davelx]

None of the red and black inner insulations of those cables should not be exposed and visible outside of the enclosures they go into. One sometimes sees tiny glimpses of a little red/black, but that black one on the left (where it comes out of their service fuse) is particularly ridiculous - and none of them is really acceptable.

Kind Regards, John

Whilst we're talking about "critical typos"

 

[JohnW2]

Whilst we're talking about "critical typos"

Damnit Thanks - I've corrected it!

Mind you, just as with things like ...

I wonder how many people actually noticed, given what their minds were expecting to be reading?!

Kind Regards, John

 

[EFLImpudence]

I thought it was evolution.

 

[JohnW2]

I thought it was evolution.

Evolution of what? If you mean evolution of language, I don't think that's resulted in a double negative becoming a negative or for adjacent duplication of words becoming part of 'common usage'!

Kind Regards, John

 

[EFLImpudence]

If you mean evolution of language, I don't think that's resulted in a double negative becoming a negative

Don't you?

 

[jg321]

I wonder how many people actually noticed, given what their minds were expecting to be reading?!

I couldn't not for the life of me work out what I was reading incorrectly - until I searched Google. Wow. Stupid brain.





P.S. "Couldn't not" was on purpose.

 

[JohnW2]

Don't you?

Nope. My upbringing is such that mybrain will strictly apply Boolean logic in interpreting 'multiple negatives' - i.e. an odd number resolves to 'a negative' and an even number to 'a positive'!

Mind you, we all make mistakes. Maybe GDPR will put a stop to some of it, but I'm sure that I'm not the only person who, in the past, has been caught out by a tick box which says something like:

"Tick this box if you do not want us to not stop sending you unwelcome rubbish e-mails"

Over the years, almost all the bills I receive have becoming 'paperless', without my once having deliberately 'ticked a box' to bring that about - but, rather, because in moments of reduced concentration, I have allowed myself to fall foul of such questions! Although I 'saw the light' just in time, on one occasion I almost 'asked to be considered to have' (as I've said, my supplier is anything but pushy!) a Smart Meter because of a similar question.

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

I couldn't not for the life of me work out what I was reading incorrectly - until I searched Google. Wow. Stupid brain.

Do you mean that you 'got caught'? If so, you are in an awful lot of good company. That particular one is pretty useless these days (except in the very young), since so many people have been exposed to it, but there are plenty of similar examples.

Such perception issues are a big problem in terms of witness evidence brought before the courts - since so many people truly believe that they saw 'what they expected to see', even though what they actually 'saw' was something different.

P.S. "Couldn't not" was on purpose.

That vone is, in my opinion, a bit iffy - but it's complicated because it is a double negative of an idiom!

One thing I've never understood is how on earth Americans have come to use the expression "I could care less" in situations in which we would say "I couldn't care less"!

Kind Regards, John