wooden window frames

[drjaymz]

I have a double glazed top opening window that has rotted in the corner for a garden building. I don't think it was the best quality to start with. For now I can try to bodge it with hardener. I have removed the spongy bits and found where the good wood starts, but its marginal and I should have looked at it before now.

I'm not that old, but we used to go down the road and get a new frame made and just move the glass from the old one. I cannot find anyone anywhere near me that seems to do that anymore. Or I don't know what I'm searching for if I look on yell or whatever.

Who or what should I be looking for? I would have thought in 2022 you could probably find a website where you can simply put the measurements in and window appears in the post a few days later but I can't even find that.

 

[drjaymz]

The window in question.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Wooden Windows - Bespoke Wooden Windows - Design and buy online

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[drjaymz]

Wooden Windows - Bespoke Wooden Windows - Design and buy online

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I saw that site yesterday, that looks to be the entire window unit rather than just the casement (or whatever its called). I could be wrong.
I'll have a closer look.

 

[drjaymz]

Nope, seems to be a complete window. Very frustrating I don't seem to be able to find anything anywhere online or offline.
Its 72cm x 40cm opening. Double glazed.

Can I not just get wood of a suitable cross section? Again, since I don't know what its called I can't find anything.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

I would have thought in 2022 you could probably find a website where you can simply put the measurements in and window appears in the post a few days later but I can't even find that.

Every window is unique in design, so there isn't a rigid standard that they are made to, making a web site approach for a casement a bit of a no-no. As to sending in dimensions, with respect I've learned to distrust any and all measurements taken by anyone other than myself or a trusted colleague because they are so often wrong, especially on something like this which needs to be millimetre perfect

At one time, as you say, there were a lot more small joinery shops, but these days the massive overheads of running a shop combined with a big switch since the 1980s to PVCu windows and doors and the advent of low cost CNC factory made stairs has taken away a lot of the bread and butter work and makes running a shop a fairly unattractive prospect unless you can get into a specialist market like sash windows, porches or bespoke kitchens

30 years ago I could probably name you 10 local joiners with 1- to 3-man shops in this (smallish) town. Now there are just 2

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Timber Window Sections | Timber Mouldings | Illingworth ingham (iitimber.co.uk)

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[Deleted member 174758]

But do they match the existing mouldings?

 

[drjaymz]

Every window is unique in design, so there isn't a rigid standard that they are made to, making a web site approach for a casement a bit of a no-no. As to sending in dimensions, with respect I've learned to distrust any and all measurements taken by anyone other than myself or a trusted colleague because they are so often wrong, especially on something like this which needs to be millimetre perfect

At one time, as you say, there were a lot more small joinery shops, but these days the massive overheads of running a shop combined with a big switch since the 1980s to PVCu windows and doors and the advent of low cost CNC factory made stairs has taken away a lot of the bread and butter work and makes running a shop a fairly unattractive prospect unless you can get into a specialist market like sash windows, porches or bespoke kitchens

30 years ago I could name you 10 local joiners with 1- to 3-man shops in this (small) town. Now there are just 2

Yeah - thats pretty much where I started this thread. And I guess that is why they sell complete window units.
At the end of the day there is a hole in a wooden frame 720x400 that it has to fit in, it can't be that hard.

My other plan was find some wood close and maybe route it or something since we don't seem to have any joiners anymore. I'm a bit annoyed as the window is 5 years old, but the rain has found its way between the glass and the frame and its been happily feeding whatever ate my window.

 

[drjaymz]

But do they match the existing mouldings?

If I can find something that is close enough and doesn't cost £40 to ship then I can probably work with that.

My wife is Portuguese and they have big shops called Leroy Merlin, and there you can go down an isle and find the stuff you need to easily fix the window. Its so frustrating that we have replaced all of our shops that only sell whatever crap china was shipping.

With everyone panic buying garden buildings in the last 2 years and working remotely now being permanent for lots more people I expect in about 5 years time trade for anyone who can fabricate the windows might well go in to orbit.

 

[drjaymz]

Timber Window Sections | Timber Mouldings | Illingworth ingham (iitimber.co.uk)

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These are the frame - and so when that goes - I'll be looking for these but for now the frame is fine, its the opening flappy bit with the glass in it and at the top I can't get fixed.

 

[Notch7]

it looks like a softwood sash for a summer house

its a stormproof style -ie rebated so it sits proud on the outside of the window frame and I guess fitted with cranked hinges

If you are handy with a router, you could make something to replace it

Most joinery companies wouldnt be interested -its hassle to set up for one sash

 

[Notch7]

opening flappy bit with the glass in it

thats known as the sash

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Why not contact a company like this to see if they can help?

Window And Door Components | Joinery sections and profiles (wooduchoose.com)
Window Frames & Cills (terrystimber.co.uk)

Google's your friend in situations like these. The lesser of two evils might be to order a completely new window i.e. including frame.

 

[drjaymz]

it looks like a softwood sash for a summer house

its a stormproof style -ie rebated so it sits proud on the outside of the window frame and I guess fitted with cranked hinges

If you are handy with a router, you could make something to replace it

Most joinery companies wouldnt be interested -its hassle to set up for one sash

Ah, yes all terms I saw online and now I know what they mean!

I'm not handy with a router - how hard can it be? , I'd make a simple joint and then I just need to get a profile that nearly works.

(I'm not that bad, I have built and repaired aircraft wings)