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Absolutely agree - two sides of the same coin
Farage is a great orator, who has balls to take on the cosy ruling class, and tackle issues that the majority of the UK electorate want action on. Definitely opportunist, but at least he starts the debates that need to be started. Sometimes he goes a bit far in his personal attacks, but he is a potent antidote to bland, career politicians - both at home and in The EU - who serve little purpose except to keep their snouts in the trough.
Brand can hardly be in the same category. He's an overpaid, alternative 'comedian' (as an alternative to being funny), who stands for nothing except to spout the garbage that keeps his mainly young and naïve followers and Twitter-twits happy.
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Farage is another one of the same group - he talks the talk and produces good sound bites without actually having to do anything about it.
He's not shy of taking the full salary and all of the benefits that go with being an MEP.
He criticises immigration policy but is married to an immigrant who he also pays (from EU funds) as his secretary.
Not of course forgetting his (and his wife's) background as traders on the London & Frankfurt financial exchanges.
So nothing too hypocritical there then?!
He's not shy of taking the full salary and all of the benefits that go with being an MEP.
He criticises immigration policy but is married to an immigrant who he also pays (from EU funds) as his secretary.
Not of course forgetting his (and his wife's) background as traders on the London & Frankfurt financial exchanges.
So nothing too hypocritical there then?!
I quite like Farage - I've said so on here before. He does have some character and he does sometimes make me smile, and I do like the fact that he is prepared to speak his mind. But, he is pretty much free to say what he likes knowing he'll never have to back it up. It reminds me of Cleggy; for years he spouted his liberal carp and then suddenly found himself having to answer for it. And we know how that ended - or is about to end.
Jeds is right about Cleggy suddenly finding himself holding the balance of power. Except next election, the Limp Dems will be history, and just maybe UKIP will be the third party. Stranger things have happened.
I don't think that Farage is so stupid to want zero immigration. More like he would be in favour of controlled immigration of the right people, as and when required. And who but the most ardent anarchist could argue against this?
Traders may not be the most popular types, but at least Farage has been successful at something before going into politics to give him vital experience of the real world. What have Clegg, Milliband or even Cameron achieved in or out of politics? Better that Farage went into politics already a wealthy man, rather than a lying parasite like Bliar getting rich through politics. Ex city trader or crooked, so-called socialist? Know what I'd rather have.
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I don't disagree about minority (in terms of votes rec'd) parties holding the balance of power but having looked at what good that's done this parliament I'm not sure it actually achieves anything other than a mediocre/no real policies on anything state of affairs.
I would also agree that at least Farage has some real world (if that's what you can call the city) experience but have no real idea what he stands for - his lot seem to have a poor record of selecting intelligent candidates and seem to make up the policy on an hourly basis.
On what basis do you control immigration (if that's what the government decides to do) - skills/background/links to the UK/Commonwealth/personal wealth and who decides?
I would also agree that at least Farage has some real world (if that's what you can call the city) experience but have no real idea what he stands for - his lot seem to have a poor record of selecting intelligent candidates and seem to make up the policy on an hourly basis.
On what basis do you control immigration (if that's what the government decides to do) - skills/background/links to the UK/Commonwealth/personal wealth and who decides?
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And on the basis of a breath of fresh air from Australia
How's this for a positive story to come out today's bad news
I wonder if the same thing could happen over here - I live in hope !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-30479306
How's this for a positive story to come out today's bad news
I wonder if the same thing could happen over here - I live in hope !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-30479306
Easy. Just look at how it's been done in the last 25 years - and do the opposite.
We should be looking for people who share our values and have something to offer. We don't need millions of barely educated people to drive taxis, run corner shops, pick spuds or wash cars. That's just importing a burden on all services and the taxpayer.
Immigrants in low paid, unskilled jobs help to drive down pay rates, then consequently need subsidising with working benefits, especially if they have families. Then we also pay our own people not to do these entry level jobs. Both immigration and welfare need tackling together.
Welfare reform will also solve the problem of Somali goat herders, etc queueing at Calais to get into 'honeypot' Britain. They are economic migrants, so shouldn't be claiming free housing, etc as asylum seekers. If they were genuinely fleeing persecution, they would be grateful to get to the first safe EU country. Not travel through Europe, paying thousands of pounds to traffikers so that they can shop around for the best deal.
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Who's values would that be? And what values are they?
That's a good start. However, as mentioned in Newboy's post - they have the same problems as us. Wondering when the next murder and mayhem, courtesy of The ROP, will kick off.
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They may have the same problems as us but the reaction to the problem could hardly be more different!
I can't do all your research for you. But if you know how to behave when you visit another country, then that's how we should expect people who choose to come to our country to behave.
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