Absolutely!...

[EFLImpudence]

EFLI, could you reply before lunchtime if possible?

It has lost its context by now so bear in mind that it related to:
"As long as the meaning is conveyed, they who can't spell espouse it does not matter."

To which I added:
"I cannot imagine anyone who can spell thinking like that therefore those in charge must not have been bright enough."

What about?
"I cannot imagine anyone who can spell, thinking like that, therefore those in charge must not have been bright enough"
but it's not correct, or JBR's
"I cannot imagine anyone who can spell thinking like that. Therefore those in charge must not have been bright enough"
which doesn't really make a difference.


I really don't think there is anything wrong with the original but maybe it's a verbal optical illusion where once you see one thing you cannot adjust.

 

[noseall]

Parents maketh the child. They are a product of our upbringing.

Some of us would muck about in class, but there were always a few that did not. It was those few that did not muck about that I think about now that I am a parent. These were the ones I admire because they are the ones who had good parents.

Poor teachers allow already bad kids to behave badderer.

 

[LastMagicBean]

Parents maketh the child. They are a product of our upbringing.

So you agree with me then???

 

[noseall]

So you agree with me then???

With this.......

I think the real question that should be asked is.............. are teachers to blame for the shambles that has replaced discipline in the educational system.

Yes.

No. Teachers are not to blame. Politics and irresponsible parents are to blame.

 

[LastMagicBean]

No. Teachers are not to blame. Politics and irresponsible parents are to blame.

Who taught the parents then???

 

[noseall]

No. Teachers are not to blame. Politics and irresponsible parents are to blame.

Who taught the parents then???

Are you still pizzed?
Any one teacher spends a finite amount of time with any one pupil. Our parents however have a huge influence in our upbringing and subsequent behaviour. Bad kids will be bad whether they attend school or not.

 

[LastMagicBean]

Bad kids will be bad whether they attend school or not.

Absolutely untrue.

It's all about the nurture, we both agree on that.

 

[noseall]

It's all about the nurture, we both agree on that.

Yes.
Our formative years are so important regarding development. Things we experience during our formative years will leave an indelible mark throughout adulthood. Teachers have an influence, true. However, my parents taught me how to behave.
My dad bu**erring off and leaving us had a more profound effect than any teacher could impose.

 

[LastMagicBean]

My dad bu**erring off and leaving us had a more profound effect than any teacher could impose.

Why don't you give him a chance to explain.
He probably still thinks about you every single day.
Your mum might have poisoned your mind.

It happens.

 

[noseall]

My dad bu**erring off and leaving us had a more profound effect than any teacher could impose.

Why don't you give him a chance to explain.
He probably still thinks about you every single day.
Your mum might have poisoned your mind.

It happens.

I see me Dad regularly, it's not like you think.

However, not having one of your parents there on a daily basis has an effect unlike any other.

 

[JBR]

JBR's
"I cannot imagine anyone who can spell thinking like that. Therefore those in charge must not have been bright enough"
which doesn't really make a difference.

On the contrary, mine makes perfect sense.
However, I would have added a comma after 'Therefore' and, of course, a full stop at the end of the second sentence!

 

[JBR]

Bad kids will be bad whether they attend school or not.

Absolutely untrue.

It's all about the nurture, we both agree on that.

But bad kids are bad largely because of how their parents brought them up - that's nurture.

The other side of the nature v. nurture argument is that it's in their genes - nature.

It's still debatable which of the two has the greater effect. Personally, I believe that a child whose parents are yobs, if immediately taken into care by responsible parents, is more than likely to turn out to be a 'good' child, so nurture is more important than nature.

 

[EFLImpudence]

JBR's
"I cannot imagine anyone who can spell thinking like that. Therefore those in charge must not have been bright enough"
which doesn't really make a difference.

On the contrary, mine makes perfect sense.
However, I would have added a comma after 'Therefore' and, of course, a full stop at the end of the second sentence!

I didn't say it didn't make sense. I said it didn't make a difference.
There was a full stop at the end in the original; it must have been cut off in the quote.
Does that mean you always place comma after 'therefore'?

 

[Shutpa]

JBR. Thank you once again for your "Yeah" quote. It was the perfect open for my falling standards talk. Most could not believe that any teacher, regardless of age,would use the written word 'yeah' out of text talk context.

And thank you too EFLI. Your two sentences caused a great deal of debate not because they lacked clarity but because you failed to see that they did.

However, I was taken to task for missing this:

As long as the meaning is conveyed, they who can't spell espouse it does not matter.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Why? What did I do wrong in that sentence?

If you are thinking it refers to "people who do not know how to spell espouse" then it actually does not make sense.
That, in my opinion, is a reading problem on your part.