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One word that will make mr diesel citroen owner wince. . . . . .
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i own a 1.9 tdi (130) passat highline.
loads of grunt and economical too.
heated seats.
heated mirrors.
cruise.
drop down dvd player.
leather int.
traction.
abs
blah blah blah.
all cars have it now don't they?
all i know is that i have loads of grunt when i need to get out of trouble.
and it leaves fizzy petrol hatches for dead.
loads of grunt and economical too.
heated seats.
heated mirrors.
cruise.
drop down dvd player.
leather int.
traction.
abs
blah blah blah.
all cars have it now don't they?
all i know is that i have loads of grunt when i need to get out of trouble.
and it leaves fizzy petrol hatches for dead.
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I agree the Passats are good solid cars, diesel or petrol.
I could name a dozen petrol hatches that would leave your passat in the shade though.
I could name a dozen petrol hatches that would leave your passat in the shade though.
me too!
i do smile at the 1.2 corsas and saxos that come up behind at 60mph and think they have a shot.
passats are rep's cars and are geared for overtaking at this speed!
i do smile at the 1.2 corsas and saxos that come up behind at 60mph and think they have a shot.
passats are rep's cars and are geared for overtaking at this speed!
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they do make me laugh with their 1L 12v corsa's with an exhaust you could stick your head in and the full bodykit with alloys. 
He's referring to the particulate matter, not co2 emissions.When was this study? In the 80's???
Get with it man. Its the 21st century! Yes, they are louder, but they are certainly more efficient and clean than they used to be.
1.4 diesel = about 110g/km of co2.
1.4 petrol = about 130g/km of co2.
Clearly they spent a century doing . . . not a lot!
If you're worried about progress, stay indoors.
Look up DPM or DEP on wikipedia or something
Edit: here we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_particulate_matter[/QUOTE]
Yes, this is precisely what I was referring to, ie. the link between inhaling particulates from diesel exhaust and the development of cardiovascular disease in otherwise healthy people. Its got nothing to do with CO2.
I think that by everyone switching to diesel to save a few quid, we may be storing up big health problems for the future (think asbestos).
It did that in the 2.5 years before I bought it. I'm not daft.One word that will make mr diesel citroen owner wince. . . . . .
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Other than the sound of nuts and bolts in a blender, what exactly DOES come out of the exhaust pipe of a diesel? Only I've never been behind one long enough to find out.
Show me a 1.8l naturally aspirated diesel that can beat my 1.8l naturally aspirated petrol... plenty of torque from idle all the way to 7200rpm, 36mpg on a razz and over 40mpg on a plod, and still getting to 60mph in under seven seconds. I have had diesel "executive" cars screaming alongside me on motorway sliproads as I'm quietly changing up at half my rev limit, and they still don't get past.
I occasionally consider getting a DERV to save some cash, but as a 12,000 mile a year driver the petrol car comes off cheaper every time, especially when that new Fiesta with £0 VED costs about £17K once you've spec'd it properly. Yet last autumn I drove a horrible but presumably cheap Kia Cee'd 1.6 petrol and that was getting over 50mpg on the motorway. 50mpg in a petrol-engined family car!!!
That 130g/km to 110g/km comparison made earlier... doesn't that show the improved economy of a diesel is almost entirely balanced by the increased fuel costs? Depreciation and servicing will more than take care of the rest
Show me a 1.8l naturally aspirated diesel that can beat my 1.8l naturally aspirated petrol... plenty of torque from idle all the way to 7200rpm, 36mpg on a razz and over 40mpg on a plod, and still getting to 60mph in under seven seconds. I have had diesel "executive" cars screaming alongside me on motorway sliproads as I'm quietly changing up at half my rev limit, and they still don't get past.
I occasionally consider getting a DERV to save some cash, but as a 12,000 mile a year driver the petrol car comes off cheaper every time, especially when that new Fiesta with £0 VED costs about £17K once you've spec'd it properly. Yet last autumn I drove a horrible but presumably cheap Kia Cee'd 1.6 petrol and that was getting over 50mpg on the motorway. 50mpg in a petrol-engined family car!!!
That 130g/km to 110g/km comparison made earlier... doesn't that show the improved economy of a diesel is almost entirely balanced by the increased fuel costs? Depreciation and servicing will more than take care of the rest
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It did that in the 2.5 years before I bought it. I'm not daft.One word that will make mr diesel citroen owner wince. . . . . .
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depreciation doesn't stop after 2.5 years!
You bought a citroen so you must be daft.
Most decent turbo diesels will p*ss all over most decent NA petrol engines in both performance and fuel economy. Stick a turbo on a petrol engine and sure you'll get good performance, but you'll pay for it at the pumps.
I'm not trying to convert you - so long as people continue to buy petrol the price of diesel should remain attractive. The very fact that diesel is now more expensive than petrol should tell you about the way things are going. Before long the petrol engine will go the same way as the Betamax video.
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I have a petrol motorbike and car both are sports models. Diesel just doesn't compare for high performance engines, the cost of fuel is not a concern to me, the driving performance is.
diesel motorbikes are few and far between and slow, heavy and impractical.
diesel motorbikes are few and far between and slow, heavy and impractical.
the same reason they don't make diesel motorbikes is the same reason they don't make petrol buses/lorries. pointless analogy.
a diesel is a high torque work horse that can shift a lot more weight cheaply.
petrol is a fizzier more expensive alternative to the equivalent motoring.
I'm not trying to convert you - so long as people continue to buy petrol the price of diesel should remain attractive. The very fact that diesel is now more expensive than petrol should tell you about the way things are going. Before long the petrol engine will go the same way as the Betamax video.
Could you point me at a 1.8TDi that does 0-60 in 6.9s and tops out around 140mph?
You are right that diesels are becoming more popular than petrol: Fifth Gear reported the other week that diesels now account for 60% of Renault's sales! But, people buy with their wallets and few calculate whole-life cost.For me, it's all down to personal preference. I've driven diesels that had little torque and petrols that had little reviness. I just don't dig DERV!
AFAIK all military motorbikes use diesels now as NATO had a big drive to standardise fuel supply chains... So, you can use the same pump for tanks, bikes and trucks.Looking at the VW site (VW are renowned for their sports diesels, no?). The VW Golf, you can get a 1.4 petrol (albeit forced aspiration) that does 0-60 in 8 seconds, or a 2.0 TDI that does it in 10. The petrol one is slightly thirstier, but is also £600 cheaper which would buy plenty of cans and string to drag along behind to simulate the noise, and bricks to put in the boot to simulate the performance
No, but check this out. These are current models and a bit more lardy than yer average 1.8TDi.
BMW 320 petrol, 1995cc.
170bhp 142mph. 0-62 in 8.2 seconds, 50-75 in 4th is 8.3 seconds.
BMW 320 diesel, also 1995cc.
177bhp 143mph. 0-62 in 7.9 seconds, 50-75 in 4th... 6.6 seconds.
The three litre models are awesome.
335 has 286bhp and does 0-62 in 6 seconds.
Truth be told, Skoda’s hot-hatch effort, the Fabia vRS offers far more fun than you’d expect. The 130bhp, 1.9 TDi might only power the Fabia to 60 in 9.6 seconds, but keep the tacho between 1500 and 2700rpm and you’ll be feeling the full force of its massive 310nm of torque (that's 228ft-lb in old money!).
ok it,s a 19 tdi but goes like the wind
ok it,s a 19 tdi but goes like the wind
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