Certification

[OtaCustes]

I would like to do the electrics on my new extension myself.

My main concern is what happens if I cannot get someone to come and test and provide a certificate for the building regulations?

I have heard that no one will sign or test unless they have done the work themselves; are there people put there who are just testers?

Thanks

 

[securespark]

You need to notify the LABC of you intentions, pay their fee & they are then responsible for the testing. If they tell you otherwise, it's rubbish.

 

[OtaCustes]

You need to notify the LABC of you intentions, pay their fee & they are then responsible for the testing. If they tell you otherwise, it's rubbish.

I had a vague idea this was the case...Is this written anywhere so that I can pull them up on it if I need to?

Thanks

 

[Jaymack]

It's been posted recently: -

http://www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=178782

Regards

 

[OtaCustes]

Thanks guys...

The more I look into this the worse it gets; I'll make a few phone calls and see what happens

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I would like to do the electrics on my new extension myself.

What did you/will you tell your LABC on your Building Regulations approval request that you will be doing in order to ensure your work complies with P1?

My main concern is what happens if I cannot get someone to come and test and provide a certificate for the building regulations?

Is that your main concern because you know you are fully competent do do the design and installation of the installation for your new extension, or because you think that's the only problem you have to sort out?

I have heard that no one will sign or test unless they have done the work themselves; are there people put there who are just testers?

http://www.diynot.com/wiki/electrics:part-p

 

[OtaCustes]

I would like to do the electrics on my new extension myself.

What did you/will you tell your LABC on your Building Regulations approval request that you will be doing in order to ensure your work complies with P1?
I understand that you have to send in a separate application for this so as of yet I have not told them anything. I will be making it clear that I am to do the work myself though.

My main concern is what happens if I cannot get someone to come and test and provide a certificate for the building regulations?

Is that your main concern because you know you are fully competent do do the design and installation of the installation for your new extension, or because you think that's the only problem you have to sort out?
I am competent to design and install but not to sign a certificate but am concerned that I will not be able to find anyone to test and sign a certificate if they want to carry out the work themselves - seems pointless paying someone to do what I can do!!

I have heard that no one will sign or test unless they have done the work themselves; are there people put there who are just testers?

http://www.diynot.com/wiki/electrics:part-p[color=red] Will have a look through these... [/color]

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I understand that you have to send in a separate application for this so as of yet I have not told them anything. I will be making it clear that I am to do the work myself though.

That was daft - you don't have to submit a separate application, so you're now gong to have to pay their fee twice.

And making it clear you'll be doing the work yourself is only part of the picture.

The way it works is that you will be carrying out controlled work, so you need your plans approved, i.e. you need to show the council that what you intend to do will comply with the Building Regulations.

They look at what you propose, and if they agree that it will comply they will approve your plans, and then during and after the work they will check that you have in fact done it properly.

So you should be giving some thought about what you will tell them you will be doing in order to comply with P1.

I am competent to design and install but not to sign a certificate

I don't see how you can be the first two and not the last.

but am concerned that I will not be able to find anyone to test and sign a certificate

A very valid concern, because you almost certainly won't be able to.

 

[OtaCustes]

I understand that you have to send in a separate application for this so as of yet I have not told them anything. I will be making it clear that I am to do the work myself though.

That was daft - you don't have to submit a separate application, so you're now gong to have to pay their fee twice.

And making it clear you'll be doing the work yourself is only part of the picture.

The way it works is that you will be carrying out controlled work, so you need your plans approved, i.e. you need to show the council that what you intend to do will comply with the Building Regulations.

They look at what you propose, and if they agree that it will comply they will approve your plans, and then during and after the work they will check that you have in fact done it properly.

So you should be giving some thought about what you will tell them you will be doing in order to comply with P1.

I am competent to design and install but not to sign a certificate

I don't see how you can be the first two and not the last.

but am concerned that I will not be able to find anyone to test and sign a certificate

A very valid concern, because you almost certainly won't be able to.

Sorry, I hope we have our wires crossed...building control know about and have approved the building work it is just that they don't know I want to do the electrical work.

I have an installation certificate not a testing certificate. When I did this a few years back it enabled me to install but not switch on. AFAIK my certificate still stands. I am a designer dealing with much more dangerous equipment than household wiring so in any case I am not 'ignorant' to safety and design only maybe to the current regulations which I can easily get my hands on.

All this besides I beileve you are probabily correct about getting someone to sign off another persons work still it cannot hurt to ask some questions can it?

 

[LiamPope]

What did you/will you tell your LABC on your Building Regulations approval request that you will be doing in order to ensure your work complies with P1?

You often ask this - and I often wonder what the relevance is. Maybe things are different if a full plans submission is made than if the work is covered by a building notice (I've only dealt with the latter)? Or maybe it varies between LABCs? Either way, I was certainly not required, on my building notice application, to explain how I intended to comply with Part P, or any other relevant part of bulding regs. My application form had a small box headed 'description of work' into which I wrote a few sentences, one of which said I was rewiring the house. That's it.

OtaCustes - I think BAS is right - you should have included the electrical work on your plans submission/building notice. Now you've got to pay again, and if you have one of the naughty LABCs who refuse to inspect and/or test electrical work, like I do, you'll be paying for exactly nowt! Then paying again for a PIR from a spark.



Liam

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I have an installation certificate not a testing certificate. When I did this a few years back it enabled me to install but not switch on.

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There are no legally required qualifications needed to be able to issue any sort of EIC.

Lack of suitable qualifications might have liability implications, or might make the value of your EICs/MEIWCs/PIRs questionable, but if you aren't doing work where there would be liability issues, or where you're hoping that someone will accept your certificate then it's irrelevant.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You often ask this - and I often wonder what the relevance is. Maybe things are different if a full plans submission is made than if the work is covered by a building notice (I've only dealt with the latter)?

That is the difference.

Since a Building Notice costs the same as a Full Plans Submission, and by doing it that way you're hoping that what you think you'll need to do will be OK, and risking finding out too late that it isn't, I think it's lunacy to do any notifiable work via a Building Notice....