Can I fit an unvented cylinder...

[glasgowgas]

For some people I offer to represent them in court free ( thats not for you though ).

hhmmmm

any legal training Mr T G lazier??

 

[Axel]

Ending up in court - maybe not a criminal court, although criminal negligence leading to manslaughter could be applied to badly installed unvented cylinder as much as if you dropped a brick off a ladder onto someones head. But even if there is no criminal case, there is always the possibility of civil action, ie, being sued for the costs of rebuilding neighbours house or bones or whatever...

 

[Goldberg]

I wonder how many of these barrack room lawers have had any legal training?

Why not name and shame?

Is it the person who asked, simply and politely, which law it is that makes installation of an unvented system, by someone who isn't formally qualified, illegal?

Is it the person who asserts that the requirement for such a qualification isn't anywhere in the Building Regulations?

Or is it any of the people who insist that it's illegal, and yet who can't produce a reference to any law, and who insist that the non-qualified installation or maintenance of an unvented system will lead to a criminal charge, and who respond to any request for an explanation with arrogance and abuse?

 

[Goldberg]

The the fool was no your ignore list

And he still is.

Hope you're no telling porkies.

Sadly, the ignore function doesn't prevent quoted text from appearing in posts made by non-ignored forum members.

 

[kevplumb]

Sadly, the ignore function doesn't prevent quoted text from appearing in posts made by non-ignored forum members.

go twist some wires big nose

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Palerider, I think that Mr Nosheds is fully aware of what Kev is trying to convey but it seems like he has found a great big key and is winding it..

I don't know what he's trying to convey - I keep asking him but he'd rather respond with puerile abuse than explain.

Sometimes you just have to accept when you are told that something cant or shouldn't be done for the sake of your own health.

Indeed, but then you should be told that you cannot or should not for reasons of competence. Falsely telling them you that you may not is always completely unacceptable.

This is what Kev and for that matter most of us try to convey to the folk who ask "Can I fit my own boiler" or "can I fit my own unvented"

Then explain why they cannot, do not lie to them that they may not.

Of course anyone can do anything they like and frequently do but it would be negligent for us to encourage someone to do something that we feel is beyond their abilities, since we all give our time freely and do help a lot of folk,

So the only alternative that you can think of to encouragement is to lie to them and tell them they may not?

That is absolutely not on.

it is the most simple solution to advise sometimes that it is against the law rather than type a screen of text explaining in minutia the circumstances where the general public can and should not do what they want to do... Thus making more time to answer questions.

So you lie to them because you cannot be bothered to do your self-appointed job of giving advice properly?

That's disgusting.

Of course there will always be pedants such as Mr Shedless who wish to demonstrate how clever they are with points of law but missing the point that they could put someone at risk by sharing the truth.

You must never, ever, ever lie to people "for their own good". It is lazy, and patronising, and also dangerous, for when they find out you've bee lying to them they will never trust anything you say ever again. Is that what you want?

There are plenty of folk out there who would give fitting an unvented a go but I really wouldn't want to live next door to them and for everyones sake I would like to discourage them

Then don't show yourself to be as incompetent here as you believe them to be there.

Explain why they should not, don't engage in lazy and patronising lying.

 

[kevplumb]

**** off back to the sparks forum your getting boring now

or go bail your mate out he is getting in deep

 

[dextrous]

Anyway, enough of the jocular banter between respectful friends .

Op, if you're going to do it in spite of the repeated questioning of the wisdom of your doing so, then please be absolutely certain that you are acting safely and not putting yourself or others at risk. Ultimately, that's the bottom line.

 

[Goldberg]

Op, if you're going to do it in spite of the repeated questioning of the wisdom of your doing so, then please be absolutely certain that you are acting safely and not putting yourself or others at risk. Ultimately, that's the bottom line.

What?

The OP has just completed the unvented course and has a G3 certificate for doing so.

 

[dextrous]

Op, if you're going to do it in spite of the repeated questioning of the wisdom of your doing so, then please be absolutely certain that you are acting safely and not putting yourself or others at risk. Ultimately, that's the bottom line.

What?

The OP has just completed the unvented course and has a G3 certificate for doing so.

So he has Got confused and thought it was iconic's post. My mistake

 

[Goldberg]

Ah, OK. Sound advice wrt to iconic.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I wonder how many of these barrack room lawers have had any legal training?

Why not name and shame?

Is it the person who asked, simply and politely, which law it is that makes installation of an unvented system, by someone who isn't formally qualified, illegal?

Err.... No.

Is it the person who asserts that the requirement for such a qualification isn't anywhere in the Building Regulations?

Err.... No, I don't think it's him either.

Or is it any of the people who insist that it's illegal, and yet who can't produce a reference to any law, and who insist that the non-qualified installation or maintenance of an unvented system will lead to a criminal charge, and who respond to any request for an explanation with arrogance and abuse?

That'd be the one.

 

[Corgigrouch]

Mr Nosheds, thanks for your interesting input but the truth is that everyone lies. Some for good reasons, others for bad reasons and yes we all do it..

If you were to spend a little time to count up the number of posts here on this forum since it was established then you may find that there are quite a few. Many of them are of the kind that follow the line "can I.....". If we were to sit and type the precise reason then there would be pages and pages of exactly the same kind of stuff, all as long winded as you... Since no one here is paid to offer our help, then it is down to each person who contributes to offer his own reason for not assisting or to discourage... Folk can take the advise or leave it as they wish, it certainly is nothing to do with you to dictate how anyone answers.

It is also worth considering how ones response is received... To suggest to a poster that he or she is not competent may be technically correct when put into the correct context, however there are plenty of thin skinned folk out there who would read "Not competent" as "Incompetent" which is not correct in any way shape or form, they simply haven't proven themselves to be competent in the subject being discussed.

The fact that experienced tradesmen give their time to help folk is to be commended and most folk who come here with problems that I and most of us believe that this forum is designed to help with leave satisfied.. I personally do not believe that we should be helping with gas issues or issues covered by G3... If you want to contribute with some technical help then I'm sure that those who wish to work on gas and the like will receive your advise with gratitude.

Although it may not be illegal for them to meddle in such matters or for you to advise them, I think that any sane human being would regard your encouraging them as immoral.

I think now that this issue has been done to death, I see no further point in our discussing this issue. Folk can now read these posts and decide who is the voice of reason. You of course will pronounce yourself the hero of the oppressed, I really am not bothered but I will expect you to advise these people on all technical matters that sane gas fitters and heating engineers will not..

 

[dextrous]

Corgigrouch,

Somehow I think you're spekking for a decking

 

[Corgigrouch]

Corgigrouch,

Somehow I think you're spekking for a decking

Gizz a clue.. What do you mean?