A bit of bondage!

[dingbat]

Confused about what?
Be precise young man or shut your mouth, little boys should be seen and not heard!

Maybe you are a troll, after all.

You are certainly an incompetent idiot.

"Confused about what?" Practically everything you have written in your dangerous book is incorrect. Precise enough? Or do you need to know which single sentence you wrote was very nearly (accidentally?) right?

 

[david911cockburn]

Sparky123,
No RCD upstairs?
Presumably this means that in your house the RCD is only being used to protect sockets that may supply appliance outdoors, whcih now fails to comply with BS 7671.
The EAWR not spplying to DIY in your home home is an interesting point. As an electrician I'm sure that you wouldn't be prosecuted for hurting (or killing) a member of your own family, but if a visitor to your house was hurt by your electrical system you would probably find yourself liable, assuming that you are a qualified electrician.

Dingbat,
Yes please you will need to be absolutely precise.

 

[mikhailfaradayski]

oi-oi cocky,

how many copies of your book have you sold recently?

I notice that this amazon listing has nothing but negative reviews for it..

 

[Spark123]

Sparky123,
No RCD upstairs?
Presumably this means that in your house the RCD is only being used to protect sockets that may supply appliance outdoors, whcih now fails to comply with BS 7671.

It fails to comply fully with the most recent edition of the regulations, however it complied when it was installed.

The EAWR not spplying to DIY in your home home is an interesting point. As an electrician I'm sure that you wouldn't be prosecuted for hurting (or killing) a member of your own family, but if a visitor to your house was hurt by your electrical system you would probably find yourself liable, assuming that you are a qualified electrician.

I may well be prosecuted, however not under the EAWR.

 

[ebee]

"The EAWR not spplying to DIY in your home home is an interesting point. As an electrician I'm sure that you wouldn't be prosecuted for hurting (or killing) a member of your own family, but if a visitor to your house was hurt by your electrical system you would probably find yourself liable, assuming that you are a qualified electrician. "

This implies a couple of things

1) if you kill or injure your own family you will not be prosecuted.
2) You would be liable if you are an electrician - therefore if only a DIYer you weould not?

 

[david911cockburn]

Hi Sparky123,
If only half of your sockets are protected by an RCD and you haven't done your supplementary bonding you have the worst of both worlds. If somebody comes into 'direct contact under fault conditions', more than 30mA may be aloud to flow through the victim and if this happens the magnitude of the shock may well be large enough to leave burn marks on the victims' skin. In which case the death will almost certainly not be filed under heart attack, as nobody knows how many have been already!

Hi Ebee/Sparky123,
If you are a qualified electrician, the installation will be regarded as unfinished and therefore it will be assumed that work is still due to be undertaken on that installation and you should not yet have turned on the power. Therefore you can be prosecuted under the EAWR.
If you are not a qualified electrician you shouldn't be messing around with your own electrics and you would be prosecuted under some other civil law if you were to kill a visitor to your home. If you killed a member of your own family like your own child then that would be punishment enough, unless another member of the family or the Police believe it was deliberate, in which case it would be murder!

 

[Spark123]

Hi Sparky123,
If only half of your sockets are protected by an RCD and you haven't done your supplementary bonding you have the worst of both worlds. If somebody comes into 'direct contact under fault conditions', more than 30mA may be aloud to flow through the victim and if this happens the magnitude of the shock may well be large enough to leave burn marks on the victims' skin. In which case the death will almost certainly not be filed under heart attack, as nobody knows how many have been already!

How does 30mA flow through a victim in a bathroom if supplementary bonding is in place limiting touch voltage? You got to be doing something wrong to come into direct contact under fault conditions!!

 

[Spark123]

Hi Ebee/Sparky123,
If you are a qualified electrician, the installation will be regarded as unfinished and therefore it will be assumed that work is still due to be undertaken on that installation and you should not yet have turned on the power. Therefore you can be prosecuted under the EAWR.
If you are not a qualified electrician you shouldn't be messing around with your own electrics and you would be prosecuted under some other civil law if you were to kill a visitor to your home. If you killed a member of your own family like your own child then that would be punishment enough, unless another member of the family or the Police believe it was deliberate, in which case it would be murder!

I don't intend to kill anyone, but the same stands. The EAWR do not apply to DIY electrics in your own home. Part P does apply in England/Wales.

 

[david911cockburn]

Sparky123,
We all need to be very careful because they have used the term 'reasonably foreseeable'. Teenagers take ghetto blasters into the bathroom, women vacuum in the bathroom, this means that extension leads find their way in there (I've even seen somebody with a washing machine in their bathroom!)

I agree that people should know better, but old people get senile and kids are nieve. This is why we as electiricians are paid to do their thinking for them.

Also supplementary bonding is any earthing that is done that is 'supplementary' to the electrical system, it doesn't just happen in bathrooms, no matter what it says on wilkipedia.

 

[ricicle]

This is why we as electiricians are paid to do their thinking for them.

You electrician ? Not in a million years pal.

Also supplementary bonding is any earthing that is done that is 'supplementary' to the electrical system,

Bonding is not earthing and earthing is not bonding

 

[david911cockburn]

ricile,
You have circuit protective conductors and supplementary bonding conductors and either or both can be described as earth cables.

Circuit protective conductors and supplementary bonding conductors are coordinated in conjunction with overcurrent protective devices a (and/or RCDs') in order to return leaking current to earth at an accelerated rate and therefore prevent dangerous voltages appearing for any significant length of time between simultaneously accessible conductive parts.

Supplementary bonding is simply the earthing of conductors that are not part of the electrical system.

 

[ricicle]

You have circuit protective conductors and supplementary bonding conductors and either or both can be described as earth cables.

.

Says who ?

Circuit protective conductors and supplementary bonding conductors are coordinated in conjunction with overcurrent protective devices a (and/or RCDs') in order to return leaking current to earth at an accelerated rate and therefore prevent dangerous voltages appearing for any significant length of time between simultaneously accessible conductive parts.

Supplementary bonding conductors have nothing to do with 'returning leaking earth current' and are not there to speed up disconnection.
The circuit protective conductors limit the duration of fault currents.
Supplementary bonding conductors reduce the magnitude of voltages between accessible conductive parts whether they be exposed or extraneous.

 

[EFLImpudence]

may be aloud to flow

1 down - Noisy permission from 'Author'

 

[ebee]

I am beginning to wonder if someone does not know "their amp from their elbow"

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Circuit protective conductors and supplementary bonding conductors are coordinated in conjunction with overcurrent protective devices a (and/or RCDs') in order to return leaking current to earth at an accelerated rate and therefore prevent dangerous voltages appearing for any significant length of time between simultaneously accessible conductive parts.

Supplementary bonding is simply the earthing of conductors that are not part of the electrical system.

You really, genuinely and honestly do not have a clue, do you?

You really, genuinely and honestly do not know the difference between earthing and bonding, you really, genuinely and honestly do not know what supplementary equipotential bonding is for, and you really, genuinely and honestly are so f*****g incompetent that you should arrange for all the copies of your ludicrously misleading book to be pulped.