http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...obs-centre-caste-discrimination-tribunal.html
This is ridiculous but these views are surprisingly widespread.
This is ridiculous but these views are surprisingly widespread.
Forbidden Love - Castes issues in UK
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cantaloup63
Hasn't this been raised before by you in the last day or so?
Yes but i feel this deserves a topic all of its own, especially considering Teresa May is now looking at this issue with the intent on passing law to make this kind of discrimination illegal.
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Big Tone
To be fair to Naz, I brought it up. But he's so nice he didn't defend himself there so I'm putting my hand up.
I wanted to know what it's all about and how rife.
I wanted to know what it's all about and how rife.
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cantaloup63
I wasn't criticising - I was just working out where that feeling of deja vu was coming from. Anyway, back to topic 
On the one hand Naz I can understand why you might feel that discrimination between castes is just silly and highly disagreeable. On the other, I'm a bit confused as to your layers of consistency, since you seem quite an advocate for religious beliefs, most of which insist upon an exclusivity clause and severl of which require a blood lineage in order to satisfy proper "membership".
So with this in mind, why is the concept of groups of people castigating those who wish to break the rules of membership such an anathema to you?
This story reminds me of some posh bit of totty (with daddy some kind of Lord in a stately home) having a bit of a thing with a bit of rough named Rodney in Only Fools and Horses
On the one hand Naz I can understand why you might feel that discrimination between castes is just silly and highly disagreeable. On the other, I'm a bit confused as to your layers of consistency, since you seem quite an advocate for religious beliefs, most of which insist upon an exclusivity clause and severl of which require a blood lineage in order to satisfy proper "membership".
So with this in mind, why is the concept of groups of people castigating those who wish to break the rules of membership such an anathema to you?
This story reminds me of some posh bit of totty (with daddy some kind of Lord in a stately home) having a bit of a thing with a bit of rough named Rodney in Only Fools and Horses
I wasn't criticising - I was just working out where that feeling of deja vu was coming from. Anyway, back to topic
On the one hand Naz I can understand why you might feel that discrimination between castes is just silly and highly disagreeable. On the other, I'm a bit confused as to your layers of consistency, since you seem quite an advocate for religious beliefs, most of which insist upon an exclusivity clause and severl of which require a blood lineage in order to satisfy proper "membership".
i dont know which religion requires blood lineage but certainly not Islam.
My issue with the caste system is it discriminates against those who have been born into poverty. This means such people struggle to get out of poverty as they can only ever do the jobs the higher castes wont do. Its also part of the culture that the caste your born into is where you remain. You cannot work your way "up". If your an untouchable, your an untouchable, regardless. There are certain jobs you can do. And thats it.
My faith, Islam, does not discriminate against people on any grounds. In a truly Islamic state, Muslims are free to marry other muslims of any race or nationality. Muslims can even marry other people of the book i.e. Jews and Christians. People are free to follow whatever career path they want, regardless of their religion. So you would have Hindu's, Sikhs, Jews etc working alongside Muslims in the highest professions. Discrimination is forbidden in Islam in this sense. People of other faiths are not looked down upon.
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Big Tone
Gays or women aspiring to the highest office of the land?
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cantaloup63
Thought there was something about true jews having to have a jewish mother, for example. Another other example of "pure blood" is muggles in Harry Potter 
Final point of clarification from you please - you state that Muslims can marry people "of the Book". Does this mean that there are peoples who Muslim's are not permitted to marry, perhaps what you might refer to as different "castes" for want of a better word
Final point of clarification from you please - you state that Muslims can marry people "of the Book". Does this mean that there are peoples who Muslim's are not permitted to marry, perhaps what you might refer to as different "castes" for want of a better word
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cantaloup63
I suppose one could argue that gays and wmen are not true "people" and therefore not discriminated against
I dont see why this would be a problem. The lifestyle of homosexuality is contrary to Islams teachings and the "ACT" is forbidden but i dont see why being gay would stop you legally applying for the highest positions.
Final point of clarification from you please - you state that Muslims can marry people "of the Book". Does this mean that there are peoples who Muslim's are not permitted to marry, perhaps what you might refer to as different "castes" for want of a better word
People who are not of the monolithic faiths cannot be seen as suitable marriage partners as we feel our purpose on this earth is to worship God, as guided through the Torah, Bible and Quran. Therefore anyone not from this cannot be seen as suitable as we would be openly defying God/Allahs word.
However this does not mean you can generally discriminate against these people. Whereas in the Caste system, its perfectly fine to discriminate and in fact encourages it.
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cantaloup63
So, hypothetically, if a Muslim decided to marry someone who would be completely unacceptable on religious grounds then that marriage would be fine and all parties would be welcomed into the Muslim community with open arms and without a shred of discrimination? Must admit, I'm not convinced on that one
So, hypothetically, if a Muslim decided to marry someone who would be completely unacceptable on religious grounds then that marriage would be fine and all parties would be welcomed into the Muslim community with open arms and without a shred of discrimination? Must admit, I'm not convinced on that one
If someone decided to marry a person who was not acceptable from a religious perspective, then the family firstly would not accept it or be happy with it. Obviously people would not be jumping for joy when people go agianst the faith in such a way.
HOWEVER as Muslims it is not for us to judge these individuals. This is for god/allah alone to do. Neither can we mistreat them. People make their own choices and Allah has mentioned in the Quran that people will be judged for their own actions.
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cantaloup63
Oh, do come on
On another thread you've just attempted to justify the application of the death penalty for religious purposes to protect a religious state.You have also made it quite clear on here that "the family would not accept it" by which you presumably mean that the Muslim faith openly promotes castigation and discrimination against those who do not follow it's traditions and rules. There is no difference between this situation, which you seem to applaud, and the caste situation in the op, which you abhore.
I'm lying awake in bed at night, worrying about what Indians get up to. Yawn!!! 
How much did this nonsense cost the taxpayer?
How much did this nonsense cost the taxpayer?
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