Electrifying - Thank you for your research.
What does this mean for this installation?
What does this mean for this installation?
2. Work which—
(a) is not in a kitchen, or a special location;
(b) does not involve work on a special installation; and
(c) consists of—
(i) adding light fittings and switches to an existing circuit, or
(ii) adding socket outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit.
"special installation” means {.....} an outdoor lighting or electric power installation {.....}
I'm not.Wind your neck in, BAS, and admit you are wrong this time.
This is in a garage, not a garden.Garden power and lighting are special installations
No it does not, any more than the DNO cable being under the pavement makes it highway equipment or street furniture.- this includes cables crossing 'gardens', for want of a better word.
No it isn't, and unless you can show me where Schedule 4 agrees with you then you are clearly wrong.Regardless of the distance, to get to a detached garage, you are crossing the 'garden' - so it's notifiable.
The LAW does not agree with what you say, you are WRONG.If I take any notice of you, I might as well throw 'Doc P' in the bin, along with my 'Electricians Guide to the Building Regs' - because it says it in there, as well.
No idea what it is.There is also apparrantly a point outside that the electricians have placed a blank face over - is this so that you can attatch an IP rated outside socket if you wanted to? or can I use this as the starting point for the SWA?
It is not grey at all to anybody who bothers to read what the law actually says.This is a bit of a grey area as I've contacted 3 local electricians who are saying different things...
You notify them in advance, and pay the fee. Different councils have different approaches to how they handle any inspection & testing.If it is notifiable - then what is the process for this? I complete the work, and is it building control i notify? Do we have to pay an electrician to come and test/inspect?
So another document which is not the law.Taken from 'Notifiable electrical work descriptors
Guidance for CPS registrants' - Published by the LABC :-
So not to clear up any inaccuracies and misconceptions, just to simplify matters for the hard-of-thinking.This guide has been prepared as a result of feedback from Competent Persons Scheme Operators and enterprises that are registered with the scheme operators. The aim of the guide is to simplify the choice of notifiable works as well as enabling all electrical scheme operators to give a consistent message to reduce confusion in the industry.
Do you really not care that that bears no relation to what the Building Regulations actually say? That the part you highlighted is pure fabrication?This is to be used when installing fixed electrical equipment such as an external socket-outlet, garden lighting or supply to an outbuilding.
This comes back to another case of how the wording in Schedule 4 is open to a certain amount of interpretation.
2. Work which—
(a) is not in a kitchen, or a special location;
(b) does not involve work on a special installation; and
(c) consists of—
(i) adding light fittings and switches to an existing circuit, or
(ii) adding socket outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit.
Clearly the proposed work meets the requirements of 2(a) & 2(c), but what about 2(b)?
Edited down to the salient part:
"special installation” means {.....} an outdoor lighting or electric power installation {.....}
Is the underground cable part of "an outdoor electric power installation" or not? I would say it is.
I would like to add an extra socket [in the garage] nearer to the door for the mower / hoovering the car, am I allowed to do this and if so would it be a spur or an extension into the back of the current socket.
Again, adding a socket to an existing circuit is exempt from notification*. Whether your addition would be classed as a spur or not (by the Wiring Regs. definition of the term) would depend upon whether the existing socket is part of a ring or not.
* Subject to these not being in certain locations, none of which would apply to your garage.
The full list of exempt works can be seen here:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/2214/schedule/4/made[/QUOTE]
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a Notifiable jobs include new circuits back to the consumer unit, and extensions to circuits in kitchens and special locations (bathrooms etc) and associated with special installations (garden lighting and power installations etc.)
g Outdoor lighting and power installations are special installations. Any new work in, for example, the garden or that involves crossing the garden, is notifiable.
Michael - it's entirely up to you.Tip to the OP, listen to the electricians, not someone who isn't.
And all wrong.All telling us it's NOTIFIABLE!
It's not an interpretation - it's simple English.THEN.........We have the 'Ban-All-Sheds' interpretation of Schedule 4 telling us it's not notifiable.
And so do I - the way of all the other idiots.I think I know which way I'm going.
Interesting. Common sense, what one imagines was probably the intent of those who (very badly) wrote the legislation, and all those other documents you mention indicate that outdoor wiring, particularly underground outdoor wiring, is, or ought to be, notifiable - and I imagine that a high proportion of electricians would feel that it should be notified....All telling us it's NOTIFIABLE!
THEN.........We have the 'Ban-All-Sheds' interpretation of Schedule 4 telling us it's not notifiable.
I think I know which way I'm going. POLL, Anyone???
Electricians feeling that something should be so doesn't make it so.I imagine that a high proportion of electricians would feel that it should be notified.
Not to some here.On the other hand, it is hard to argue with BAS's statements about 'the actual words of the law'.
"“special installation” means an electric floor or ceiling heating system, an outdoor lighting or electric power installation, an electricity generator, or an extra-low voltage lighting system which is not a pre-assembled lighting set bearing the CE marking referred to in regulation 9 of the Electrical Equipment (Safety) Regulations 1994"However, I regard this as another case of this particular bit of law being very badly written
The problem with wanting to consider the intent of those who wrote it is that Approved Document P has said what it does about "outdoor" installations since 2006.(so as not to correctly reflect the intent of those who wrote it), not an indication that BAS is being sensible.
On the other hand, it is hard to argue with BAS's statements about 'the actual words of the law'. However, I regard this as another case of this particular bit of law being very badly written (so as not to correctly reflect the intent of those who wrote it), not an indication that BAS is being sensible.
Kind Regards, John.
1. Work consisting of—
(a)replacing any fixed electrical equipment which does not include the provision of—.
(i)any new fixed cabling
From what I have seen, no where does it seem it to state that the sockets/lighting in a garage
Is notifiable or the cables to supply this power. It does state that special locations include
gardens so therefore they need to state what constitues a garden area (is this any area
surrounding the main dwelling that is external?) The garage itself as BAS as said, it isn't
an outside area unless they class any where outside of the main dwelling as an outside area, in which
Case that doesn't make sense at all.
Again I really appreciate all of your input to all who have helped!
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