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Better close all the pubs clubs bars casinos health clubs golf clubs social clubs then
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May I add to that John? Lets have them banned from ALL pubs, clubs etc for the period of the sentence or 12 months which ever is the greater? If they're caught in a pub, under the influence etc then the fine, sentence, ban is increased (Custody may be appropriate for repeat offenders). And let Joe's suggestion above also kick in, the pub is also fined. You'd sharp see publicans taking a very active interest in who their customers are and what state they're in. It's an offence now to serve anyone who is intoxicated so they should be prosecuting the landlords now!Bah, the government go on and on about so called "Binge Drinking", then show us the evidence of drunken youths in town centres, causing mayhem etc, fighting and tying up valuable NHS resources in A&E on Friday and Saturday nights. If they want to cut down this binge drinking culture, then apply the laws as they are at the moment re "drunk in a public place"," disturbing the peace", etc but make the fines/sentences a lot stiffer.
Lets say a couple of drunken youths are arrested for fighting/causing a public nuisance/whatever, on a Friday night in some city/town centre, then lock them up till Monday morning, where they are straight in court in front of a magistrate. Give the magistrates the power to levy a hefty fine, plus community service/ curfew. Not the usual £30 fine , make it a fine of £500 minimum. 100 hrs community service and a 3 months curfew from 7.00 pm on a Friday evening until 7.00am on a Monday morning.
The £500 fine would be paid at a rate of approximately what they would normally spend at the weekends getting drunk.
Any further breaches of this sort within 2 yrs would incur double the penalty and so on.
This would go a long way towards cutting down drunken , rowdy behaviour up and down the country. These young un's would soon learn, that they can't go out getting blind drunk and causing trouble, without reaping the consequences of such behaviour.
I think this is the way to go, but,,,,, we all know any government isn't going to go down that route, much simpler to raise taxes on alcohol so the many have to pay for the misdemeanour's of the few.
PS the governments actual definition of binge drinking is anyone who drinks more than 5 units of alcohol per day. So in effect when I go to the darts match on a Tuesday evening and have 3 pints, the government think I'm a "Binge Drinker" on Tuesdays. (tomorrow evening I hope to set a new record, as will 3/4 of the bloody country
I think the best way is to send them the full costs for hiring the ambulance and renting the A&E room so it's not a burden on the taxpayers, this would be very simple to do and they will soon learn
Yes, public drunkenness is a disgrace. It leads people onto other crimes like fare dodging and foul-mouthed abuse of people who are trying to do their jobs.
Glad to see you are consistent, and take a tough line Joe.
Yes, and the fare-dodger and his father should have not gone to the media. We live by a strange code now, where there is no shame. His daddy must be really proud.
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Nice one, masona. As an aside, if your involved in a RTA (road traffic accident) the hospital does send you a bill for ambulance and treatment.
Still think my original proposal would work though. The laws are already in place, just the system of fines etc that needs updating.
One thing with fines though that should be dropped is this useless "Victim Surcharge" of £15.
Fines etc need updating. What's the use of a £30 fine these days when the minimum wage is now in the region of £250 a week (for 40 hrs)
Those up in court for drunken behaviour usually get fined what amounts to the loose change in their pockets. They should be hit hard with a hefty fine and made to pay the cost of police time on top.
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So how are we going to attain this Utopia?
The country has been run to the dogs and now you want perfection.
Hitler started out with that sort of idea as well as Stalin. Look where that got them.
The country has been run to the dogs and now you want perfection.
Hitler started out with that sort of idea as well as Stalin. Look where that got them.
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Not asking for perfection Alarm, just a natural sense of justice. The government want to crack down on the binge drinking culture, yet want every drinker to pay for it, instead of the ones doing the binge drinking.
Why should I suffer as a social drinker for the problems cause by the few? Much more equitable to crack down on the ones causing the problems.
Why should I suffer as a social drinker for the problems cause by the few? Much more equitable to crack down on the ones causing the problems.
The problem is using up more police time and court cases, by paying at the A&E, no need for police etc
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Of course there would be. A doctor or nurse cannot issue a on the spot fine.
Decide the magnitude, hence we have magistrates and the Police to arrest and charge. Do you not know how the legal system works?
Some wild ideas here tonight.
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