Should juries have 1000 members?

[imamartian]

Mathematically, 12 is a sample at risk... 1000 is at much less risk - somebody said friends might influence it....

The idea is that you pick 1000 random people from around the world who can log on to the trial via the internet.... they get an hour to log their decision...

Why on earth would we want to pick 1000 random people from around the world to decide the fate of someone standing trial in our criminal system? Surely it would have to be 1000 people from the UK ?

yeah okk, that's fine... it was a fooukcing random idea ffs !!!!

have how many you want and from where you want..... i don't care anymore

 

[sooey]

Why on earth would we want to pick 1000 random people from around the world to decide the fate of someone standing trial in our criminal system? Surely it would have to be 1000 people from the UK ?

So you'd only end up with about 900 people from around the world.

 

[imamartian]

if there's anyone whose wondering, let me just explain the 1000 jurors comment....

In context it was around the death penalty and would you be happy for it to be brought back?

For me, a trial by jury is usually ok, but potentially wrong, so if deciding the death penalty i'd say no way.

But mathematically if you took the average of 100 jury decisions on the same crime, then i think i'd be happy to accept that in order to dish out death....

100 times 12 is a bit more than 1000, but you get what i'm saying.

As for the practicalities of a 1000 person jury.... which you all jumped on.. i agree, so hard to organise effectively that it almost rules itself out as a solution.

 

[cantaloup63]

Oh I don't know - these big concert arenas are quite often empty during the day, plus there are a load of people on the dole. Seems to me to be a way of marrying up the two and create juries of several thousand.

 

[imamartian]

Oh I don't know - these big concert arenas are quite often empty during the day, plus there are a load of people on the dole. Seems to me to be a way of marrying up the two and create juries of several thousand.

you must know a theorem that describes the tendency towards an accurate conclusion...

one jury is extreme high risk... 100 jury's averages out at a more palatable conclusion...

 

[cantaloup63]

I am led to believe that 12 was considered an appropriate number since it signified the number of apostles. Since most crimes are committed by peoples not of the faith (partly because hardly anyone is of the faith nowadays), then IMO the number 12 no longer applies.

 

[imamartian]

I am led to believe that 12 was considered an appropriate number since it signified the number of apostles. Since most crimes are committed by peoples not of the faith (partly because hardly anyone is of the faith nowadays), then IMO the number 12 no longer applies.

but it's accepted as enough people to decide current legal arguments.....

so for the death penalty, a hundred of those decisions averaged out should remove any anomolies... and be sufficient to dish out the death penalty?

 

[cantaloup63]

but it's accepted as enough people to decide current legal arguments.....

so for the death penalty, a hundred of those decisions averaged out should remove any anomolies... and be sufficient to dish out the death penalty?

You're sort of missing a teensy little point - accuracy of evidence. It would make no difference whatsoever if you had a jury of 1 or 1000 if the police investigation and subsequent trial process missed out some vital information and a miscarriage of justice ensued.

 

[imamartian]

but it's accepted as enough people to decide current legal arguments.....

so for the death penalty, a hundred of those decisions averaged out should remove any anomolies... and be sufficient to dish out the death penalty?

You're sort of missing a teensy little point - accuracy of evidence. It would make no difference whatsoever if you had a jury of 1 or 1000 if the police investigation and subsequent trial process missed out some vital information and a miscarriage of justice ensued.

yeah actually, i thought that yesterday.. and you're right....
But if you don't think outside the box you don't expand.... !!

Good call Cant !!

 

[sooey]

So you've abandoned the insane idea of having 1000 jury members and come to the almost as insane idea of having 100, only to realise, after having to be told, that it doesn't matter how many there are if the evidence put before them is wrong.
Good thinking outside the box.

 

[LastMagicBean]

Cutting it down to six makes more sense.

 

[sooey]

More easily nobbled there though, maybe for some crimes. For serious stuff I think it's fine as it is.

 

[imamartian]

the tramps don't recognise an honest realisation, but jump in and chomp more..


well done guys.... keep putting people off

 

[LastMagicBean]

Six people would take far less time bickering than twelve.
More time to discuss the facts.

 

[cantaloup63]

I'm going to ask the jury about it:
The verdict is

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Although we may need a recount