"False" alarms on wireless alarm systems

[peaps]

Not a thief either. I just though that if people could afford a safe big enough to fit all the items mentioned then they have a bit of cash.

but the local snack heads would see a save rolled in to the house and on their next rattle will think Mmmm.

I was robbed 10 years ago because two local smack heads knew I had just had a safe fitted. Didn't get anything out of us but I was stabbed a few times, went for the wife and I got in the way, as you would.

and these cheap alams are ignored!

Nor was any comment made to suggest that you were.

Granted i was just making it clear for others benefit.

 

[S21]

"In your average home I doubt it.

Tie up robberies are for wealthy victims where the pros and cons of armed robbery - kidnap - torture etc are weighed against the potential value of the haul.

Of course there are instances where people have been murdered for the price of a bus ticket but statistically I would suggest it would not increase the tie up robbery rate , rather it would simply reduce the amount of valuables thieves are able to make off with.

I am a bit dissapointed that the 'tie up robbery' threat was immediately mentioned. I would hope that is not a sales line used by alarm companies to justify alarm systems over physical security"


note - the poster has no qualification to give security advice and anyone acting on any advice given should seek further confirmation before taking action

just wanted to clear that one up.

 

[alumni]

Granted i was just making it clear for others benefit.

No worries.

Usual rules for a job in our industry is for a pretty clean record. Even a pretty mundane misdemeanor can result in a failed vetting.

 

[peaps]

"In your average home I doubt it.

Tie up robberies are for wealthy victims where the pros and cons of armed robbery - kidnap - torture etc are weighed against the potential value of the haul.

Of course there are instances where people have been murdered for the price of a bus ticket but statistically I would suggest it would not increase the tie up robbery rate , rather it would simply reduce the amount of valuables thieves are able to make off with.

I am a bit dissapointed that the 'tie up robbery' threat was immediately mentioned. I would hope that is not a sales line used by alarm companies to justify alarm systems over physical security"


note - the poster has no qualification to give security advice and anyone acting on any advice given should seek further confirmation before taking action

just wanted to clear that one up.

More and more tie ups are going on and not just in affluent areas.

I can't see another protection best other than a house alarm that is monitored with panic alarm fitted etc......

I use ADT but I got a deal because I had a Redcare system fitted to the shop. They can monitor everything.

Suppose there are better systems out there.

 

[peaps]

Granted i was just making it clear for others benefit.

No worries.

Usual rules for a job in our industry is for a pretty clean record. Even a pretty mundane misdemeanor can result in a failed vetting.

goes without saying, need to know who is fitting your security

I could work my way around the boards however.

 

[yaleguy3]

Just thought I would mention 'despite having no security qualification' that most burglaries occur when the occupants are not there and therefore having stuff locked away safely is a far far better solution than any alarm system even if it is monitored with a police urn because the Police have no actual obligation to attend.

 

[peaps]

Just thought I would mention 'despite having no security qualification' that most burglaries occur when the occupants are not there and therefore having stuff locked away safely is a far far better solution than any alarm system even if it is monitored with a police urn because the Police have no actual obligation to attend.

Strange because "creeps" are and have been on the rise for years

One of the most common burglary methods. you sure you know what you are doing? Installing cheap alarms in Leeds should have told you this much


"Statistics from the Home Office, Scottish Government and Northern Ireland Police Service have shown that in the UK, burglars strike every 40 seconds. Families with children are likely victims, and 56% of these cases there is someone at home at the time of the crime. Shockingly, 44% of burglaries happen in broad day light."

http://tellittothestars.com/2012/02/burglary-in-the-uk/

 

[Alarm]

I find YaleGuy3`s rather insipid post amusing ( About defeating a Yale detector). I mentioned its "sleep pattern"
It is there in the manual, freely available on their website for ANYONE to read. I got the information from there after he declared the detectors do not go to sleep.
In conjunction with anothers idea of using a frequency jammer. Nothing new there then, has been going on for years in various guises.
I wonder what makes it so special now in the middle of an interesting debate where it is constantly proven the main character has no real idea of how the equipment he fits works. It is one thing "sticking" it to a wall another understanding how and why it works.
His continual assumptions on percentages of what happens is another example. His "accusation" of "Peaps" being a scaremonger for the security industry is also rather amusing. He is definitely not a member, and not a thief either from what I know about him. So another deduction incorrectly made.

Why would Yale "sue" me for repeating what they freely make available on their website? ( You want to check out You Tube, then again maybe not, you might have a heart attack). If anything you should be called to account for your rather embarrassing rants and raves, making out your their representative. I have in the past mentioned you to their sales and technical departments and had a very limited response, perhaps they are not too bothered. They certainly are difficult to get into a discussion with, even when giving them cut and pasted evidence. I would say as far as avoidance was the better wording on this one.

So where is it incorrect to reproduce a freely available item from the website that is open to all? You cannot freely get this sort of information from graded systems. And before you bleat on about programming it is perfectly acceptable to assist in that, not defaulting. Which again Yale freely give out on the aforementioned.



As for your last statistic over the Christmas period I was aware of 6 break ins where the victims were at home, luckily no one was hurt. As usual a "targeting" gang were to blame. Yet to be caught unfortunately.
These people have now had graded systems fitted with detection in the correct areas, and for multiple options of part setting during the day. Another thing lacking in your choice of fitments.

FYI locking away is an insurance requirement with systems with monitoring with an issued URN. An object of some consternation with some clients as they do not want a safe , but to be insured they have to. And I mean a safe, made by Dudley or other major long established safe makers. As the limits on other makes are inadequate.

Anyway, good luck on what you feel should be done. When the items you have pointed out have been removed from a public website then I shall of course have no means of republishing them as they will not be available unless I were to be registered with company. Then If I were to publish I would of course be libel for a strong word or two.
But definitely not from someone like you.

 

[S21]

I use ADT but I got a deal because I had a Redcare system fitted to the shop. They can monitor everything.

Suppose there are better systems out there.


there are certainly better deals ............ and we give a far better service level.

 

[S21]

most burglaries occur when the occupants are not there



source?


and I actually said you have no qualification to give security advice not no security qualifications - different thing.

 

[yaleguy3]

"Statistics from the Home Office 56% of these cases there is someone at home at the time of the crime."

http://tellittothestars.com/2012/02/burglary-in-the-uk/[/QUOTE]

and 56% are at night meaning the occupants are upstairs in bed while the home is being rifled and anything NOT LOCKED AWAY will get filched hence Fit a SAFE

 

[Alarm]

56% of these cases there is someone at home at the time of the crime

So that means 44% are not, that is not the most in this example is it, another showing of your inability to understand.

 

[yaleguy3]

Anyway, good luck on what you feel should be done. When the items you have pointed out have been removed from a public website then I shall of course have no means of republishing them as they will not be available unless I were to be registered with company. Then If I were to publish I would of course be libel for a strong word or two.
But definitely not from someone like you.

Hmm so now you claim not to be registered with a company??

How bizzare and at odds with everything you have previously said.
Looks like backtracking to me.

I mean I could post up on here now how to defeat a class 2 siren - not rocket science and a lot less bother than jumping around like a grasshopper on speed trying to juggle jamming an sensor sleep times.

Hmm you missed the bit out about how you dont have anti mask at all your class 2 installations (could that be because anti mask is a class 3 condition?) Obviously I know nothing as usual.

Just admit it Alarm you lost your professionalism alarm all for the sake of a cheap shot and now you backpeddling while trying to put on a brave face it was a crass post and you know it.

Hypocrite springs to mind - shucks all the times you have floated around in your halo and wings sprouting 'engineer codes squawk need to be registered squawk'



Oh by the way I have never stated any affiliation with the company however your obvious previous attempts to report me to yale obviously had no effect.

However the email I sent this morning ref your alledged instructions on how to defeat a system might illicit a different response.
I for sure think the Police will think you have acted like a plank.

 

[peaps]

"Statistics from the Home Office 56% of these cases there is someone at home at the time of the crime."

http://tellittothestars.com/2012/02/burglary-in-the-uk/[/QUOTE]

Like I said MOST occur when the home is unoccupied

Are you for real bubba? Do the maths.

 

[yaleguy3]

"Statistics from the Home Office 56% of these cases there is someone at home at the time of the crime."

http://tellittothestars.com/2012/02/burglary-in-the-uk/[/QUOTE]

Like I said MOST occur when the home is unoccupied

Are you for real bubba? Do the maths.

SEE the edit read the whole article - 56% are burgled at night and 57% are when the occupants are in - in other words the theives rummage round downstairs while the occupants are asleep upstairs... hence fitting a safe.