Vegan babies

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Alarm wrote

no responsibility to give a balanced diet. That would include meat
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More mis-information. A diet can be balanced (and a lot more healthy imo) without meat.
 
But no proof, we always hear your diet is good.
How much more dairy do you eat to supplement other nutrients missing?
How many nut/bean combinations to do the same.
Your body needs the proteins meat provides for a GOOD diet.
And a GOOD diet is balanced with meat.

Ask any reputable nutritionist.
 
Alarm said:
It has nothing to do with choice because a child is dependant on you to make the choice....
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It is your choice, no responsibility to give a balanced diet. That would include meat.
I know there is an argument about great athletes being Vegan/Vegetarian but that was after their important growing years in 98% of them IIRC.


Personally my meat/veg ratio is about 65/35, I am a great meat eater, especially breakfast. Meat with every meal, if Ribs ect then the far greater amount. So you see not adverse to veggies. In fact one of my fave home made Chinese meals has very little meat ( Pork Tenderloin, in honey and paprika, mmmmmmmm).
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"Health Benefits of Vegan Diets

Several studies have examined the nutrient intakes of vegan children. One study of British school-age children found that they had higher intakes of fibre and that intakes of all vitamins and minerals studied (with the exception of calcium) were comparable with those of meat-eating children (3). Vegan pre-schoolers in the US were found to have generous intakes of protein, vitamins, and minerals and their diets exceeded recommended intakes for all nutrients studied with the exception of calcium (4).

The study showing lower calcium intakes by vegan pre-schoolers was conducted before calcium-fortified products were readily available, so calcium intakes of vegan children may be higher now. Calcium is important for bone development. Around 45% of adult bone mass is accrued before 8 years of age, another 45% is added between 8-16 years of age and a further 10% accumulates in the next decade. Given the importance of calcium intake during childhood, all parents should ensure that their children’s diets contain calcium-rich foods and meet current recommendations for calcium for their age group.

Regrettably, there have been few recent studies looking at the long-term effects of a vegan diet*, especially as it is believed that the foundations for many chronic diseases of adulthood have their beginnings in childhood. For instance, processes initiating atherosclerosis and high blood pressure are thought to start very early in life, and blood pressure and cholesterol levels have been shown to track from early childhood and to be related to childhood nutrient intakes (5,6). Body mass also tracks from early childhood, with obese children being at an increased risk of obesity in adulthood (7)

When we look at potential long-term health benefits of vegan diets, we find that vegan children have higher intakes of fruits and vegetables, foods that are important for health. Vegan children have been shown to have lower intakes of fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol than non-vegetarian children (9-10). This may be important in reducing the risk of developing chronic diseases such as heart disease and obesity. Finally, vegan diets may introduce children to a greater variety of whole plant foods, thus establishing healthful lifelong eating habits."

http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/nutrition/infants-and-children.aspx
 
Alarm said:
But no proof, we always hear your diet is good.
How much more dairy do you eat to supplement other nutrients missing?
How many nut/bean combinations to do the same.
Your body needs the proteins meat provides for a GOOD diet.
And a GOOD diet is balanced with meat.

Ask any reputable nutritionist.
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Vegans don't eat dairy products and studies have been done and a veggie diet came on top, then vegan then meat....

The reason vegan scored second was because of the high intake of peanuts in their diet..

You think your diet is balanced?

Difference is that I take care of what I eat and make sure I have a balanced diet, all fresh home cooked food.
 
* The three official red meats are pork, lamb and beef. Pork is the leanest, lamb the fattiest and beef the most nutritious.
* Beef has 2.7mg of iron per 100g, and 4.1mg of zinc. A large proportion of the population, particularly teenage girls and women, are deficient in both minerals.
* Pork and lamb also contain zinc and iron, but not in the same quantities.

* Red meat is high in saturated fats and "bad" cholesterol, which can lead to clogged arteries and heart disease.

* But lean beef is actually fairly healthy; it will provide you with essential vitamins and minerals, but it will not have a high fat content.

* The British Dietetic Association says that up to 90g of lean red meat a day (equivalent to a portion of bolognese) is acceptable.

* But the Food Standards Agency (FSA) points out that different cuts of meat will have very different nutritional contents.

A lean pork leg joint will contain around 5.5g of fat per 100g, of which 1.9g will be saturated fat; compare that with a grilled joint of pork belly, which has 23.4g of fat, of which 8.2g will be saturated.

* A lean rump steak, grilled, has 5.9g of fat per 100g, of which 2.5g is saturated.

But the same cut of beef, not trimmed of its fat, and fried instead of grilled has 12.7g of fat, of which 4.9g is saturated.

The fat content of mince will vary widely, so the advice is always to look at the label and go for the leanest versions.


The benefits of red meat...

Zinc

Children and teenagers, particularly girls, have been found to be deficient in zinc - half of all girls in their teens do not have healthy levels of the mineral.

Some research has shown that having red meat less than twice a week can result in zinc deficiencies. Zinc is particularly important for healthy skin and a healthy immune system. During the winter months in particular a good supply may help prevent colds and other infections.

While other foods such as oysters, milk and lentils contain zinc, red meat is the most efficient way of getting it into your body.

Iron

Red meat is an essential source of iron - lean beef has 2.7mg of iron per 100g - and is vital to good health, as well as preventing conditions such as anaemia. Up to a quarter of menstruating women are thought to be deficient in iron. Meat contains more iron than most foods, and it is more easily utilised by the body than from vegetable sources.

Elderly people, pregnant women, children and those recovering from surgery could all benefit from increased iron intake. Iron helps to generate red blood cells, which carries oxygen from the lungs to the tissues and carbon dioxide back to the lungs. Red meat is also a good source of other vitamins and minerals such as phosphorus, potassium, magnesium and selenium.

Protein

Red meat is a major source of protein, which is needed for muscle and organ health. The protein found in meat is "complete", meaning that it contains all the amino acids that the body cannot make on its own. It is essential for the body's repair and renewal as well as general health.

Weight loss

Australian scientists have found that people who ate a diet high in protein, based on lean red meat, as well as fruit and vegetables, lost 25 per cent more weight over a fixed period of time than those who ate a low protein, carbohydrate-rich diet that contained the same amount of calories and fat.
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So it shows that red meat is needed.
 
Where did you copy that from?
The beef producers and promoters union?
 
A tabloid isn't going to print anything that will upset the beef farmers.
So definately not "conclusive" imo.
 
The key issue is the correct intake of nutrients. A correctly mixed diet across the various food groups is usually the best way to achieve this.
To favour one type of food against another would require careful monitoring/control of the childs diet to ensure the corrrect balance was being struck.

And as the question was asked.
No, i don't like the idea of purely vegan children. Smacks of control.
 
Norcon said:
A tabloid isn't going to print anything that will upset the farmers.
So definitely not "conclusive" imo.
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As your entitled to have.
I doubt the Vegan societies website is not one sided either, but in my case I did not say it was inconclusive.

All the websites that give a broader view say it is beneficial for both to be included in a diet.
As it is in mine and the majority.

So by all means doubt it, would be boring otherwise.
You enjoy your diet, I will certainly enjoy mine.

But remember we are answering the question posed.
 
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