Should an electrician be wiring gas boiler controls?

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I've upgraded my gas boiler to a Vokera mynute 25 A. Now the plumber could not wire the boiler so I called a spark and when he wired the boiler he blew the PCB. After I called a gas service guy he said that boiler was a low voltage contact and that he needed to wire the switch live from the external controls to a 230v ac- dc relay board and then back to the PCB.
 
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Have you come on here for a reaction ?

There are competant electricians and crap electricians, just like there are good plumbers and crap plumbers.
 
Should an electrician be wiring gas boiler controls?
Of course, that's what they do.

I've upgraded my gas boiler to a Vokera mynute 25 A. Now the plumber could not wire the boiler so I called a spark and when he wired the boiler he blew the PCB. After I called a gas service guy he said that boiler was a low voltage contact and that he needed to wire the switch live from the external controls to a 230v ac- dc relay board and then back to the PCB.
230V is low voltage.
 
230v is NOT low voltage in boiler maker's parlance!

The good news is that he accepted responsibility for his mistake and paid for a replacement PCB which was probably about £150.
 
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Maybe if they used the correct terminology for the control voltages their products need then they wouldn't get blown up when somebody gives them what they say they need.
 
230V is low voltage.
230V is low voltage from the perspective of someone working with electricty transmission and distribution systems. Those people have managed to get their ideas of high and low written into various standards.

But ultimately the IET, IEEE, IEC etc do not define the english language.
 
230v is NOT low voltage in boiler maker's parlance!

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Your on the electrical forum, so it's sparkle speak not pipe benders.

I'm amazed a boiler fitter could have the skill to fit a boiler and not the skills to connect external control wiring. As for a spark not knowing how to connect, well some wouldn't understand boiler controls and unless its as simple as LNE connects shouldn't go anywhere near.

And your point was?
 
230V is low voltage from the perspective of someone working with electricty transmission and distribution systems. Those people have managed to get their ideas of high and low written into various standards.
Indeed.


But ultimately the IET, IEEE, IEC etc do not define the english language.
Indeed not.


But because of the former, then like it or not, the term "low voltage" does have an official definition, and if a boiler maker uses technically imprecise or incorrect language to describe the characteristics of his products rather than using the correct terminology then he is at fault.
 
I'm amazed a boiler fitter could have the skill to fit a boiler and not the skills to connect external control wiring.
This seems to me to be a very likely explanation:

The fitter was replacing a boiler, and so he knew full well that the programmer was delivering 230V control signals. He did not want to get bogged down trying to explain this to the customer, or rewiring the programmer (if possible) or obtaining and installing a replacement programmer if not, or start messing around with relays. So he said "You'll need an electrician to do the electrical stuff".
 
High and low are comparative terms and anyone using them for communication needs to take into account how someone else may be using them!

Some people fitting boilers are primarily plumbers with little or no electrical knowledge and prefer to let someone else do wiring for them. This is particularly where relays may be required to interface between 24vdc and 230vac controls.

Expensive mistake for that electrician though!
 
While low voltage technically is 50-1000 volts AC, in the real world many people including manufacturers and suppliers frequently use the term incorrectly. Hence it is essential to check what voltages and other requirements exists before connecting anything anywhere.

Anyone who blindly connects anything to the mains supply or any other voltage without first checking what the device requires is a fool. Doesn't matter if they are an electrician, plumber or anything else.
 
Copied from a heating section posting!


I've upgraded my gas boiler to a Vokera mynute 25 A. Now the plumber could not wire the boiler so I called a spark and when he wired the boiler he blew the PCB. After I called a gas service guy he said that boiler was a low voltage contact and that he needed to wire the switch live from the external controls to a 230v ac- dc relay board and then back to the PCB.

Pointless post tony :rolleyes:
 

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