marks and spencer

A friend of mine was a deputy head in a school which employed a supply teacher who had tourettes. He had to make several calls home to explain to parents why the teacher had called their children "f**kers" :lol: :lol:

True story!
 
Imagine, if you dare :wink:, that you'd queued up for a fair old while and met this response once your little pork chop or chipolata:shock: was placed before the "Checkout Attendant" hands. Would it be reasonable for you to have to go and join a queue elsewhere? Surely, the position of the till operator permits him/her not to handle certain goods should be made clear to prevent anyone queuing up there?

I think my respnse would be the same as others. I would leave my groceries in the basket and go elsewhere.

But, the point of the post was a typical example of picking a story as means to harangue a member of society simply because they have different views. Whereas, in reality it was not the fault of the till operator at all, but the fault of the employer.

Let me use an analogy or two.

Jones, the window cleaner needs an assistant. He's thinking he can do half the round while his assistant does the other half, after suitable trial/training, etc.
Two likely candidates arrive, one is leaping form cill to cill, hanging from guttering by his fingertips and not doing a particular good job at the windows either.
The other candidate, Bert, admits that he doesn't like heights but is OK up to three metres. But he does a good job cleaning the ground floor windows.
Jones has a think; can he calm down the monkey and teach him to clean windows properly, or should he re-arrange his round to employee Bert.
He decides to employee Bert. He asks Bert to only clean ground floor windows, and Jones will do the rest. A NOP has been agreed.
Is it Jones' responsibility to ensure the NOP is observed or Bert's
Noblesse Oblige used to work but now we have Industrial Law.
Later if Jones asks Bert to climb ladders and clean first floor windows, then Bert is quite within his rights to refuse.

Another scenario might be that Bert has no such limitation when he is employed, but develops vertigo during some point in his career.
Jones now has a legitimate argument that Bert can no longer do the work.
However, even then a tribunal might rule that Jones can introduce a long pole system to clean windows making it unneccesary for Bert to climb ladders.

So, being reasonable, we can presume, from other bits of the article that M&S was aware of the faith of the individual and had a NOP for the situation but it failed on this occasion.
Who's fault was that?

There might be other explanations (Hypothesis testing again).
M&S were aware of the situation and either were testing the faith of the employee, or perhaps M&S couldn't give a damn if the customers were inconvenienced.
 
A friend of mine was a deputy head in a school which employed a supply teacher who had tourettes. He had to make several calls home to explain to parents why the teacher had called their children "f**kers" :lol: :lol:

True story!

Many's the time I've thought about becoming infected with Tourette's.
 
A friend of mine was a deputy head in a school which employed a supply teacher who had tourettes. He had to make several calls home to explain to parents why the teacher had called their children "f**kers" :lol: :lol:

True story!

Many's the time I've thought about becoming infected with Tourette's.

It's a disorder not a contagious disease. :roll:
 
Another scenario might be that Bert has no such limitation when he is employed, but develops vertigo during some point in his career.
Jones now has a legitimate argument that Bert can no longer do the work.
However, even then a tribunal might rule that Jones can introduce a long pole system to clean windows making it unnecessary for Bert to climb ladders.

Can an employment tribunal force an employer to purchase extra (and possibly expensive) equipment, just so someone who becomes unable to fulfil the duties they're employed to do, can then do them? I personally don't believe that employment tribunals have such a remit. :wink: :wink:
 
Can an employment tribunal force an employer to purchase extra (and possibly expensive) equipment, just so someone who becomes unable to fulfil the duties they're employed to do, can then do them? I personally don't believe that employment tribunals have such a remit. :wink: :wink:

You may be correct Jock, I did use the word "might" and it was just an example with an after-thought tagged on.
Also, although the tribunal cannot force an employer to make any adjustments to the workplace, it well may affect any judgement awarded.
 
Can I just put the record straight. Only 10% of Tourette's sufferers swear.
 
There will be many counters, and if lots of customers are Muslim, they won't be buying much meat or booze anyway.

Bit of a generalisation - if a Muslim wants a bit of booze, or a bacon sandwich, don't worry, they'll have it. They don't all toe the party line, you know.
A mate of mine who is a prison officer says all Muslim inmates eat pork/bacon,but when the Immam turns up they go all religous,head down,arse up,etc.
Total hypocrites...............
 
,but when the Immam turns up they go all religous,head down,a**e up,etc.
Total hypocrites...............

What? You mean they party all week, then repent at the weekend.

Oh, well, just proves that they're like so many other religions. :roll:

My mate, who's a cleaner in the Vatican, tells me that the Pope never wears socks. :roll:

Of course, normally, my mate has more important and entertaining things to do than inspect the Pope's feet each day and then go round telling everyone about it. :roll:
 
A mate of mine who is a prison officer says all Muslim inmates eat pork/bacon,.............
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21302925[/QUOTE]

'Editor of the Muslim News, Ahmed Versi, said: "This is very serious because no Muslim would ever eat pork meat - anything to do with pork - and it must be very distressing for those in prison who have been given this meat to realise they may have been eating food which was contaminated with pig." '

Obviously, one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing.
 
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