UKIP - a 'one trick pony'?

[handyjack]

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[Micilin]

Labours admission is the only "counter" I need.

 

[noseall]

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Where does it say whether these people are Eastern European or indeed foreign? Are you aware there are British muslims in prison? WTF?

British taxpayers are already paying more than £90million a year to fund Eastern Europeans currently in jail, at a rate of £38,000 per prisoner

They clog up the prison system costing UK millions. Then we let them out...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...thout-even-trying-to-deport-them.html[/QUOTE]

 

[Micilin]

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Crikey- all of those Christian criminals and Muslim criminals. I knew religion was bad for you- there are fewer atheists in prison.

There's the proof, thanks.

 

[handyjack]

1.6 Nationality, ethnicity and religion
Foreign national prisoners
The proportion of foreign national prisoners in the prison population increased steadily over the decade from 1997. In the early/mid 1990s foreign prisoners accounted for 8% of the total prison population increasing to approximately 14% by June 2006.

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[RNReindeer]

Its common knowledge for those in the real world.

I guess my knowledge isn't as common as yours.

Not when you keep your head stuck where the sun don't shine.

How do you know that the sun doesn't shine there?
Come on nocon, how can you be so sure?
Demonstrate the depth and power of your reasoning by giving us the benefit of your experience.

 

[RNReindeer]

I'm not sure where you're going or what you're trying to demonstrate here, handyjack
Your first comment:

They clog up the prison system costing UK millions. Then we let them out...

was refuted.
So you tried to demonstrate the religious beliefs of prisoners with no cross reference to ethnic origin.

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which was also refuted.

Now you try to suggest that the majority of prisoners are of foreign origin with your comment :

1.6 Nationality, ethnicity and religion
Foreign national prisoners
The proportion of foreign national prisoners in the prison population increased steadily over the decade from 1997. In the early/mid 1990s foreign prisoners accounted for 8% of the total prison population increasing to approximately 14% by June 2006.

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The link clearly states:

The prison population in England and Wales, including those held in Immigration Removal Centres, http://www.google.co.uk/url?url=http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn04334.pdf&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ei=ZrPQVKC1AsXB7ga8-4H4Dw&ved=0CBkQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFx50YIstujhbIyZv2piPUePEuK3A

in the introduction. I provided the source which you omitted.
The link also goes on to state:

Since then the proportion of foreign nationals in prisons has fallen slightly to 13% by June 2011, remaining at that level since then.

Is this your justification for your claim that "They clog up the prison system costing UK millions. Then we let them out.."
What about the 86% - 92% of indigenous prisoners?
Do they not clog up the prison system?
What should the UK do, or where should the UK keep their foreign undesirables, pending the deportation?

 

[Deleted member 63160]

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Doesn't really specify any places of origin. All that says to me is that pound for pound Muslims are more likely to be crooks than Christians.

 

[handyjack]

I'm not sure where you're going or what you're trying to demonstrate here, handyjack
Your first comment:

They clog up the prison system costing UK millions. Then we let them out...

was refuted.
So you tried to demonstrate the religious beliefs of prisoners with no cross reference to ethnic origin.

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which was also refuted.

Now you try to suggest that the majority of prisoners are of foreign origin with your comment :

1.6 Nationality, ethnicity and religion
Foreign national prisoners
The proportion of foreign national prisoners in the prison population increased steadily over the decade from 1997. In the early/mid 1990s foreign prisoners accounted for 8% of the total prison population increasing to approximately 14% by June 2006.

ONS

The link clearly states:

The prison population in England and Wales, including those held in Immigration Removal Centres, http://www.google.co.uk/url?url=http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn04334.pdf&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ei=ZrPQVKC1AsXB7ga8-4H4Dw&ved=0CBkQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFx50YIstujhbIyZv2piPUePEuK3A

in the introduction. I provided the source which you omitted.
The link also goes on to state:

Since then the proportion of foreign nationals in prisons has fallen slightly to 13% by June 2011, remaining at that level since then.

Is this your justification for your claim that "They clog up the prison system costing UK millions. Then we let them out.."
What about the 86% - 92% of indigenous prisoners?
Do they not clog up the prison system?
What should the UK do, or where should the UK keep their foreign undesirables, pending the deportation?

 

[Micilin]

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Doesn't really specify any places of origin. All that says to me is that pound for pound Muslims are more likely to be crooks than Christians.

Doesn't it just demonstrate that no one group of people seems to have a monopoly on virtue or crime?

 

[Norcon]

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Doesn't really specify any places of origin. All that says to me is that pound for pound Muslims are more likely to be crooks than Christians.

Doesn't it just demonstrate that no one group of people seems to have a monopoly on virtue or crime?

There's 180 million disaffected radicalised rageheads in the world today. Seems to me they have quite a monopoly.

 

[Whitespirit66]

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Where does it say whether these people are Eastern European or indeed foreign? Are you aware there are British muslims in prison? WTF?

Nauesy, I realise that you struggle to understand detail by the confusion in your responses. Please slow down and try to interpret the information properly.

The table is a comparison of prison populations by religion not nationality.

Hint - the muslims with British passports will be in the "muslim" stat, not the "Christian" figures.

 

[Whitespirit66]

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Doesn't really specify any places of origin. All that says to me is that pound for pound Muslims are more likely to be crooks than Christians.

Doesn't it just demonstrate that no one group of people seems to have a monopoly on virtue or crime?

That's a pc way of interpreting the figures. More clearly, it says that one group is more likely to be virtuous and the other more criminal.

 

[Micilin]

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Doesn't really specify any places of origin. All that says to me is that pound for pound Muslims are more likely to be crooks than Christians.

Doesn't it just demonstrate that no one group of people seems to have a monopoly on virtue or crime?

There's 180 million disaffected radicalised rageheads in the world today. Seems to me they have quite a monopoly.

Norcon, I'd really love it if your intellect could match your enthusiasm. Just a bit of advice, occasionally check the meaning and sense of a word before you use it.

We'll get you up to speed soon, don't worry, stick with it.

Edit intellect is bit harsh from me , maybe it's just vocabulary?

 

[Micilin]

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Doesn't really specify any places of origin. All that says to me is that pound for pound Muslims are more likely to be crooks than Christians.

Doesn't it just demonstrate that no one group of people seems to have a monopoly on virtue or crime?

That's a pc way of interpreting the figures. More clearly, it says that one group is more likely to be virtuous and the other more criminal.

Not really- it just shows that if a random person stands in front of you, you have no way of telling if they will be a criminal or not, based on their religion.