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First of all, it wasn't John's comment, it was mine. Quite honestly, if you can't get that bit right, what chance of you getting a bigger picture right?
Ah, you think deleting the wrong name from a click-quote somehow trumps the data. I guess you won that one :rolleyes:
John's name was never in that quote. It was doggit's

A cheaper pound also makes our products more expensive. We buy raw materials and other components from abroad
And a cheaper pound would encourage us to source them from home, driving primary industry. So think locally and pregressively before coming to over-simplistic ideas.
We buy raw materials and other components from abroad because either they are not available locally, or they are cheaper to source from abroad. Thus, we'd either have to find alternative (and probably more expensive) raw materials, or we'd have to make the (more expensive) components locally.
Either way our products would be more expensive and thus less competitive on the global market.
 
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John's name was never in that quote. It was doggit's
It happens if you click quote on two different posters -both appear in the dialog box. I deleted unwanted text back to the 'quote' tags, but what with quotes within quotes I ended up with the wrong name. Can't believe I'm explaining such trivialities to you. Care to comment on the graph instead? Didn't think so.
 
John's name was never in that quote. It was doggit's
It happens if you click quote on two different posters -both appear in the dialog box. I deleted unwanted text back to the 'quote' tags, but what with quotes within quotes I ended up with the wrong name. Can't believe I'm explaining such trivialities to you. Care to comment on the graph instead? Didn't think so.
A graph is a graph. It's how you extrapolate it that turns it into an accurate tool.
You'll have noticed the reductions in 2012, 2007, etc.
When you've analysed the cause of those reductions, perhaps you could report back with suggestions on how to replicate those reductions, instead of pie-in-the-sky suggestions (or Nigel Farage's ideas), which could have catastrophic and long-term implications and have never been tried before.

It's just like a climate graph. we all have different ideas on cause, effect and influences.
 
You'll have noticed the reductions in 2012, 2007, etc. When you've analysed the cause of those reductions, perhaps you could report back with suggestions on how to replicate those reductions,
Yeah I noticed the reduction in 1981 too. Made a huge difference to the 30 year trend, didn't it? Phew. Incidentally, in 2012: "Half the drop is down to students, while 30% of the net migration reduction is down to fewer British people." (Chris Bryant, shadow immigration minister). So I suppose could ban all foreign students and export more British? Glad we got that pie out the sky.
 
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You'll have noticed the reductions in 2012, 2007, etc. When you've analysed the cause of those reductions, perhaps you could report back with suggestions on how to replicate those reductions,
Yeah I noticed the reduction in 1981 too. Made a huge difference to the 30 year trend, didn't it? Phew. Incidentally, in 2012: "Half the drop is down to students, while 30% of the net migration reduction is down to fewer British people." (Chris Bryant, shadow immigration minister). So I suppose could ban all foreign students and export more British? Glad we got that pie out the sky.
Yes and '76, '79, '85, '91, '95, etc.
How about quoting your sources so we can all have a look at the rest of the article(s)? Instead of quoting your interpretation from an unknown source.

As I said, how about identifying what's causing the downward trends, and consider the implications of those, instead of suggesting a pie-in-the-sky solution such as Brexit. Which will do untold long-term damage to our economy. But, hey, the immigration problem will not only reduce, it'll reverse. We'll have a different, but similar, probably more serious, problem. Then what we gonna do? It'll be beyond our control then. Unless we consider joining the EU. :rolleyes:

Additionally, half of our immigration is from non-EU countries. How will Brexit affect that?

So if Brexit was a solution, it's only half a solution. What's the other half?

Moreover, emigration will be reduced to a dribble, so net migration will still increase, by more than half of current levels. So if Brexit is a solution, it's less than half a solution.

And while you're resorting to silly insults, what the heck does this mean: "while 30% of the net migration reduction is down to fewer British people."?
Pedantry is a necessary evil when some of your comments are nonsensical.
 
Additionally, it's the CAP that has allowed us to maintain the low prices of foodstuffs.
I don't want to enter futile arguing with you but are you sure?

I thought it was accepted the the CAP and EU in general had increased the price of food.

Plus, doesn't the EU want VAT levied on foodstuffs?
 
Additionally, it's the CAP that has allowed us to maintain the low prices of foodstuffs.
I don't want to enter futile arguing with you but are you sure?

I thought it was accepted the the CAP and EU in general had increased the price of food.

Plus, doesn't the EU want VAT levied on foodstuffs?
My understanding is that the CAP is responsible for subsidies to farmers, which in turn reduces the price of food, or allows the big retailers to force down the price of food. Without the subsidies the farmers would be bankrupt. So without subsidies, either there would be no agriculture in UK or the Government would need to overhaul the industry.
In the case of Brexit, it might be needed anyway.

Such farming must thus fulfil multiple functions: meeting citizens' concerns about food (availability, price, variety, quality and safety), safeguarding the environment and allowing farmers to make a living.....
The common agricultural policy allows European farmers to meet the needs of 500 million Europeans. Its main objectives are to ensure a decent standard of living for farmers and to provide a stable and safe food supply at affordable prices for consumers.............
As a taxpayer who is not a farmer, can I benefit from the CAP?

You already do. When the EU helps its farmers, society as a whole benefits. It is guaranteed a secure supply of affordable food. The average EU household spends 15% of its budget on food – half as much as in 1960.
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-631_en.htm
 
The subsidies to landowners are a form of income support. They do not affect food prices, food is sold for as much (or as little) as it will fetch.

The intention is to support owners (but not workers) in the agribusiness industry, in the same way that we subsidise steel in order to keep the industry alive and keep people in work. Oops, sorry, we don't.

Who can tell me how much Iain Duncan Smith's farming family receive in landowners' state benefits?

It's interesting to know that the Leave campaign says it would continue with the agribusiness subsidies, so there would be no saving to the UK taxpayer.


Cameron also has family in the subsidy-grabbing business. This need not be related to food production. It is however common among the richest members of society, such as millionaire old-Etonians, some of whom are Conservatives.

"Philip Astor, a member of the famous Anglo-American family, owns the Tillypronie Estate near Banchory, Aberdeenshire, which was paid almost £400,000 for planting trees."

"The aristocratic barrister is first cousin once removed to Viscount Astor, who is Samantha Cameron's step-father."

"Sheik Mohammed, the King of Dubai and one of the world's richest men, also enjoyed a taxpayer-funded subsidy from the discredited Common Agricultural Policy (CAP)."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/64...quandered-wealthy-David-Cameron-wealthy-uncle
 
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Am/was I thinking of the EU banning or taxing (tariffs) cheaper foods from elsewhere thus leading to increased prices?
 
Is there anyone other than Daily Mail readers that actually want to leave the EU?

It seems that anyone with any sense is saying stay put. Important folks out there are saying it will be a disaster if we leave.

I'm not the least bit interested in politics but it seems that those that matter are saying stay in.
 
Older people with degrees are only two-thirds as likely to vote to Leave the EU as olderpeople with no qualifications,
Many of those older people will now be of an age when at the time they were earning their degrees many of the British universities were already very much swinging to the left of the political spectrum in their general outlook, so it's probably more likely a consequence of these people being more left-leaning in their politics than of any particular academic qualifications they may have.

Just look at how that ties in with the chart of newspaper readership and how pro-EU Grauniad (sic) readers are.

whereas among younger voters there is only a small difference.

And the young who are old enough to vote have been indoctrinated with EU propaganda almost their whole lives (even in school).
 
Older people with degrees are only two-thirds as likely to vote to Leave the EU as olderpeople with no qualifications,
Many of those older people will now be of an age when at the time they were earning their degrees many of the British universities were already very much swinging to the left of the political spectrum in their general outlook, so it's probably more likely a consequence of these people being more left-leaning in their politics than of any particular academic qualifications they may have.
Just look at how that ties in with the chart of newspaper readership and how pro-EU Grauniad (sic) readers are.
So our political leanings are predetermined by our education up to the age of school-leaving age, 'cos the majority of those older people wanting to Brexit didn't go to Uni'. :rolleyes:


whereas among younger voters there is only a small difference.
And the young who are old enough to vote have been indoctrinated with EU propaganda almost their whole lives (even in school).
So the young are too stupid to work out what's best for themselves. :rolleyes:
This is getting really ridiculous. The EU is governed by the Commission, who are all out to get us, 'cos they're evil aliens. :rolleyes: The young are too stupid to know what's best. :rolleyes:
Is there anybody left that you'd trust, apart from Nigel. :rolleyes:
You'll be telling us that Mark Carney is a politician or a Cameron poodle next.
The Bank of England has given its starkest warning yet that a UK vote to leave the EU could hit the economy.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36273448
 
How about your claim that it's the Commission that holds all the power, makes all the decisions, etc.
Clearly that is not the case. On the temporary Visa free travel for Turkey:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36272677
Yes, the European Parliament votes on issues, but it's the Commission which has to put proposed legislation to parliament. You pointed out that the European Parliament may now "suggest" legislation to the Commission, but when asked for a citation indicating that the Commission must honor such requests, you failed to produce any. And you think that "roundly defeats" the argument?
 
Additionally, the fact that some Brexiters have been discovered breaking the rules illustrates their dishonesty. So we do care!
And you think that among all the "remainers" there aren't some breaking rules? "in" or "out," Labour or Conservative, male or female - There are always some who break the rules.
 
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