Yes indeed.
As you say, controls, not free movement.
I'm amused by your pretending that controls are not controls if they are random, and that you will be having checks at a border, but no border fence.
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Yes indeed.
As you say, controls, not free movement.
I'm amused by your pretending that controls are not controls if they are random, and that you will be having checks at a border, but no border fence.
I've corrected the punctuation.
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I happened to catch a couple parts of Jeremy Vine today that were very interesting.
The first section was 7 minutes in and had Matthew Parris and Daniel Hannan head to head.
The last section was 1 hour & 40 minutes in and invited a Dutch and an Irish observer to air their views on the EU.
The Irishman addressed the point about the border.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07fl276#play
The first section was 7 minutes in and had Matthew Parris and Daniel Hannan head to head.
The last section was 1 hour & 40 minutes in and invited a Dutch and an Irish observer to air their views on the EU.
The Irishman addressed the point about the border.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07fl276#play
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I take it that you didn’t watch the guru of spin last night or you would have seen the master when it comes to wriggling out of answering questions.
Arnold Bennett, Staffordshire, United Kingdom, less than a minute ago
Cameron is making Blair look an electable asset. How the mighty have fallen. From his demeanour Cameron demonstrated his perceived superiority over those in the audience, whether this was intended I cannot say, but it looked bad. I found his performance quite extraordinary, but very revealing. If I was an undecided voter, after that performance I would vote with a passion to LEAVE. Incidentally, the BBC thought he did well. I suppose that shows whose side they are on. Cameron¿s performance was NOT A PATCH on the genuineness, vision and warmth of Gove the week before.
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BTW, I'm no fan of Jeremy Corbyn, but I have to take my hat off to him, he didn't tell lies when asked about immigration by Andrew Marr.
I agree we are part of NATO, if we leave Europeans will treat us differently and with more hostility, I don't think they will regards us in high esteem. that could be bad for many who like to tour
I am just wondering what will happen to my pension plans for retirement, and my ISA savings, these are going to crumble to bits.
What you are actually saying is we would be better off inside our little island locked up like those chickens, that is a fact. We are going to isolate ourselves from the rest of the world.....The rest of the world will be wondering how the poor Brits are getting on, and we would be cursing one another saying you see now, i told you but you didn't listen! now you can suffer and suffer, we can't go out there like a free bird.
I am just wondering what will happen to my pension plans for retirement, and my ISA savings, these are going to crumble to bits.
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I find them much more honest and straight talking than any of your men, except for JC if he keeps it up.
1) Would you treat Germans with more hostility if they left the EU? Or would you not give a toss about whether someone's country is in the EU, but judge them on their own merits?
2) NATO members are legally obliged to aid one another in times of conflict, regardless of imaginary EU-based prejudices;
3) Our number one military ally is America, who definitely wouln't give a toss whether we were still in the EU.
The French and Spanish are notorious for their anti-British-tourist sentiments already!
In what way is engaging with the entire planet on our own soap box, rather than indirectly through a Swedish representative, 'isolating'?
You seem to suspect a recession, in which case increasing interest rates will do good things for your ISAs.
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David never lies does he?
In his address to the Tory party conference Wednesday 10th October 2012, Cameron claimed that his government had created over one million jobs in the private sector, this is a complete lie and a complete fabrication and misrepresentation of the truth.
- Around 200,000 of that million are straight forward reclassification of people who work in further education and have simply been reclassified from public sector workers to private sector workers.
- Hundreds of thousands more are part time workers; temporary workers; self employed; under employed.
"Brexiters are courting a protest vote. Fed up with Brussels? Worried about immigration? Then vote Leave. In real life the June 23 referendum presents a choice — the most important the British have faced during the postwar period. The status quo has to be measured against the alternative. Is throwing up the barricades really an intelligent option? We will know soon enough which question the voters choose to answer.
Most of the time such confusions scarcely matter. The great thing about democracy is that citizens get a chance to change their minds. If a bunch of politicians renege on their promises they can be turned out next time around. The Brexit referendum is different: its consequences are asymmetric. If Britain opts for Remain it could well think again in, say, a decade or two. A Leave vote would be forever and would set out the path to the break-up of the UK. It is easy to see where the balance of risk lies — and why the Leavers prefer boorish anti-intellectualism to rational debate about what Out would look like."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/844fabac-...il&utm_term=email12&utm_campaign=brexitseries
Yes, I've noticed that, too.
"For Britain the short-term costs would be high. The long-term consequences, political and economic, would be profound.
There is nothing complicated or abstract about the case for European engagement: it rests on three pillars: national prosperity, security and attachment to values that many Brits would claim as their own — liberty, democracy and the rule of law. This in an age when the west’s interests and values are under rising challenge from autocrats across the globe.
The dirty little secret of EU membership is that it has been an economic success story. Britain joined in 1973 as the sick man of Europe. In the subsequent 43 years it has flourished. National output has risen faster than that of Germany, France and Italy. Per capita gross domestic product has increased by an average of 1.8 per cent annually, against 1.7 per cent in Germany, 1.4 per cent in France and 1.3 per cent in Italy. "
Most of the time such confusions scarcely matter. The great thing about democracy is that citizens get a chance to change their minds. If a bunch of politicians renege on their promises they can be turned out next time around. The Brexit referendum is different: its consequences are asymmetric. If Britain opts for Remain it could well think again in, say, a decade or two. A Leave vote would be forever and would set out the path to the break-up of the UK. It is easy to see where the balance of risk lies — and why the Leavers prefer boorish anti-intellectualism to rational debate about what Out would look like."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/844fabac-...il&utm_term=email12&utm_campaign=brexitseries
Yes, I've noticed that, too.
"For Britain the short-term costs would be high. The long-term consequences, political and economic, would be profound.
There is nothing complicated or abstract about the case for European engagement: it rests on three pillars: national prosperity, security and attachment to values that many Brits would claim as their own — liberty, democracy and the rule of law. This in an age when the west’s interests and values are under rising challenge from autocrats across the globe.
The dirty little secret of EU membership is that it has been an economic success story. Britain joined in 1973 as the sick man of Europe. In the subsequent 43 years it has flourished. National output has risen faster than that of Germany, France and Italy. Per capita gross domestic product has increased by an average of 1.8 per cent annually, against 1.7 per cent in Germany, 1.4 per cent in France and 1.3 per cent in Italy. "
