Cheap BG bits & CU

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In case anyone is interested in a super-cheap collection of BG RCDs, MCBs, Main Switch and other spares, or if they do non-domestic work (or .... :-) ) and fancy the whole, 'loaded', plastic CU, then this has just fallen into my inbox ...
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Kind Regards, John
 
So it would appear that even tho the fated insulated CU is still a valid selection, it would appear stockists are dropping them like hot stones.
 
So it would appear that even tho the fated insulated CU is still a valid selection, it would appear stockists are dropping them like hot stones.
Very probably. As we know, many/most electricians appear to have interpreted the regs as meaning that they now must always use metal CUs. Indeed, it wouldn't surprise me if a good few haven't even realised that plastic ones are still as compliant as they ever were in non-domestic applications.

Kind Regards, John
 
The metal ones i reckon will come down eventually, im sure I see the board as above but in metal for 62 pound.

some say its worth buying for the rcds, however I needed an rcd to put in an enclosure and a branded cheaper Rcd was only 15 pound,

Were exactly can you still use them

Our install teams mainly do commercial and even the small shops need 3 phase boards.
Pubs we used to ocasionally fit them, but as most have a dwelling attached, I take it there outlawed now , or am I wrong.
 
The metal ones i reckon will come down eventually ...
Probably, at least to some extent. However fabricating a metal one inevitably involves several manufacturing steps, whereas a plastic one just pops out of a machine (probably an injection moulding one) more-or-less 'ready to go' - so it's probably always going to be more expensive.

Like many, I personally have serious reservations about this regulation, and the fire service thought processes (or lack of them) that brought it about. For a start, requiring the enclosure to be 'non-combustible' rather than addressing the reasons why fires start in the first place (nothing to do with the enclosure) seems to be a flawed approach. Also, as I wrote in some thread earlier today, the new reg does nor require the enclosure to offer any 'containment' of a fire (which inevitably starts somewhere other than in the casing), which seems pretty illogical. Then there is perhaps my greatest fear - that whilst the fire service has to deal with house fires which they claim result from flammable CU enclosures, they don't/won't have to deal with DIYers (and others) electrocuted whilst injudiciously 'playing around' in a CU which has an earthed metal case. Sure, no-one, DIYers or not, should be doing that, but .....!

Kind Regards, John
 
Were exactly can you still use them
Anywhere non-residential. From my observation, an awful lot of small shops, 'take-aways', small offices etc. etc. use exactly the same single-phase CUs that one uses in domestic properties - an they can still be plastic.

Kind Regards, John
 
Anywhere non-residential. From my observation, an awful lot of small shops, 'take-aways', small offices etc. etc. use exactly the same single-phase CUs that one uses in domestic properties - an they can still be plastic.

Kind Regards, John
hows it affected if the shop has living accomadation, with the same supply, would it be that if its metered seperate then the shop may have plastic but the accomadation metal and if all on one meter then all must be metal,

I seem to recall part p affected a lot of pub work due to the living acomadation above
 
Part P does apply to other premises that share a supply with a "dwelling".

However, in time honoured fashion of the electrical trade names, the new regulation for non-combustible CUs only applies to "domestic (household) premises".

I presume the London Fire Brigade does not care about people in shops and pubs until they go home.


I assume there is more than one author of the regulations. It would be a good idea if they talked to each other.



It really is a shambles.
 
Who says that BG plastic CUs don't comply with Amendment 3 anyway? Surely all connections have had to be enclosed in a non-combustible enclosure since we stopped using wood patresses back in 1930something? If it doesn't comply with Amendment 3 would it have complied with 14th or 15th Edition?
 
Who says that BG plastic CUs don't comply with Amendment 3 anyway? Surely all connections have had to be enclosed in a non-combustible enclosure since we stopped using wood patresses back in 1930something
As we've often discussed, it's impossible to know. Literally "Non-combustible" is impossible, yet they have not defined what they are using the term to mean, other than to give ferrous metal as an example of a material which complies. I presume that is why 'everyone' is now manufacturing and using steel ones. The same people would probably be 'unhappy' about using, say, aluminium or brass ones.

It will be interesting to see the proposals regarding this reg in 18th (assuming the reg persists!!), since it at least gives them an opportunity to clarify their requirement.

Kind Regards, John
 
I think your about 60 years out there. I was installing Wylex boards with a wooden 'frame' into the 90's.
I think Owain is referring to wooden patresses in switches and sockets, I wasn't aware the Wylex standard with wooden backs were available that recently, I thought they changed to the newer design years before that
 
... I wasn't aware the Wylex standard with wooden backs were available that recently, I thought they changed to the newer design years before that
I'm not sure when the change occurred, but I've certainly removed some (with wooden 'sides', not back - the back either being absent or a sheet of paxolin) which has been installed in the 60s and early (if not also late) 70s.

Kind Regards, John
 
Yea by 'back' I mean the surround/frame, I don't think I've ever taken a wooden one out with a 'back'
 
Yea by 'back' I mean the surround/frame, I don't think I've ever taken a wooden one out with a 'back'
If you mean a wooden back, then the same here. However, said, the ones I saw commonly had a thin sheet of paxolin (or somesuch) at the back, held in place by the main fixing screws.

Kind Regards, John
 

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