I'm guessing that those with the least financial means will suffer the greatest.
Is that the basis for the NHS? That only the wealthy benefit?
Problem solved.
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Is that the basis for the NHS? That only the wealthy benefit?
Have you been in an A&E recently? I am talking about a busy A&E in an inner city - not PRI where you'll likely get seen almost immediately.
You'll not see many OAPs in there.
Why?
Who do you mean by those with less financial means? All workers (employed or self-employed) pay NI. Many of those who are on benefits have NI credited to them.
You are strangely reluctant to say.
Yes, I was in a hospital with a friend yesterday.
The average age in the waiting area was somewhat over retirement.
If you walk into most A&Es in London, they will be full of what can best be described as the underclass with injuries and illnesses from drug abuse and cuts and bruises from drunken violence. Never a day goes by without a need for police attendance at least once - sometimes several times - each day. I cannot speak for Scotland but only 20% of attendees in England to A&E are over 65. The majority sit in the 18-29 age group.
Not only that but it's the same faces time and time again with the major contributing factors being alcohol and drugs.
Not only that but it's the same faces time and time again with the major contributing factors being alcohol and drugs.
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Although we have reciprocal treatment arrangements with the EU, we only collect about 10% of what we're owed, and to make matters worse, we don't get anything back from the non EU countries. The proposals whereby you have to take ID to the doctor or to A&E will cut down on some of the abuse, but I'm sure there'll be a nice trade in fake ID's for it.
I'm all for charging Saturday night drunks for their treatment, but no, not smokers, although as they're now being told to stop smoking before they can get a lung transplant, that seems to have been covered already.
My daughter was in hospital recently, and the whilst we were there, there was very few OAPs in the A&E department, one of the porters said that it was the elderly from the care homes that were causing most of the problems there, as the GPs didn't give them good care, then after they were shipped into hospital by ambulance, the doctors then discharged them too soon, the care homes didn't check on them properly, and they then ended up back in hospital.
I'm all for charging Saturday night drunks for their treatment, but no, not smokers, although as they're now being told to stop smoking before they can get a lung transplant, that seems to have been covered already.
My daughter was in hospital recently, and the whilst we were there, there was very few OAPs in the A&E department, one of the porters said that it was the elderly from the care homes that were causing most of the problems there, as the GPs didn't give them good care, then after they were shipped into hospital by ambulance, the doctors then discharged them too soon, the care homes didn't check on them properly, and they then ended up back in hospital.
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Of course patients on entering A&E are triaged. If someone requires immediate treatment (heart attack, stroke/ vehicle accident victim etc) then these people don't have a 4hr wait. (or do some people believe the 4 hr wait applies equally? ) Just because people are sat around waiting to be seen by medical staff doesn't mean they haven't been seen by no one at all. Friday and Saturday evenings are always busy (usually full of drunkards WTSU (wait to sober up) The vast majority of A&E patients could have gone to a local walk in centre or even their own doctors (assuming they could get an appointment with their doctor)
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Not forgetting the care homes who have a resident admitted, then refuse to have them back (usually patients with dementia, who are deemed too troublesome/ difficult for the home). The ward I currently work on is a complex discharge ward. Mainly dementia patients. Our discharge team have a lot of trouble finding homes to take them, therefore we have patients who are here for months rather than weeks. Almost all the nursing/ care homes round here are full. so where can we place these patients?
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Interesting talk on Kent Radio yesterday, where people rang in and praised their local "minor injuries" unit. In and out in no time, even if they had to travel further than their local A&E. My local hospital now has an out of hours doctor in it that you get shunted over to if they don't consider you an emergency.
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You'd think with all the beds/wards being closed down by the hospital, they'd have set up a dedicated ward for these patients. I think a lot of the bed closure are due to lack of funds, but I suspect some of them come under Hunts idea of if they aren't there, then they can't take in people. Makes you wonder just some of these people actually get given their ministerial posts.
In most cases any one attending A&E due to being boozed up should be either slung out the hospital or at the back of the line
If i turned up in A&E with a splinter in my arris I should be seen before the drunk irrespective of the reason as to why he is their
Any one who gets violent in a hospital assaults any staff member should be thrown out the hospital with maximum force if required (tazor them)
they can snuff it out on the pavement for all i care
If i turned up in A&E with a splinter in my arris I should be seen before the drunk irrespective of the reason as to why he is their
Any one who gets violent in a hospital assaults any staff member should be thrown out the hospital with maximum force if required (tazor them)
they can snuff it out on the pavement for all i care
Poor people.
Where did you get your numbers?
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Doggit
Read it somewhere; do you know the exact figure by any chance. But then why do you ask.
