Wiring up RCD/RCCB?

[andyr123]

It's not strongly worded - it is simply a statement of fact.

Certainly if you get someone in to do the work they must be an REC, however there is NO LEGAL EXEMPTION FOR DIY. In other words, if you are not an REC then you may not do this even if it is in your own home.

As a member of RECI and an REC I am regularly inspected, must be insured and have Wiring Rules, test equipment etc. and certain other things - also I need to have a valid QC (Qualified Certifier) Number.

But that surely is because thats your line of work?

- what about if consumer wants to take down pendant light fitting and put up a 3-way spotlight bought out of argos? - do they need to be reci registered or get an electrician in? - what about if consumer wants to change plastic light switch for a dimmer switch bought from homebase? , what if I wanted to go to homebase tomorrow and buy a 500w PIR halogen fitting , can I not install it myself, would I have to get an electrician in?

- in UK consumer can replace these things without being registered

 

[ban-all-sheds]

A number actually, including one who was gaoled for six months with none of the sentence suspended.

And his offence was only that he carried out restricted work when not registered?

He did absolutely nothing else wrong?

 

[Risteard]

And his offence was only that he carried out restricted work when not registered?

He did absolutely nothing else wrong?

He was convicted of two offences - carrying out Restricted Electrical Works without being an REC for which he was gaoled for three months, and falsely purporting to be an REC for which he was gaoled for three months - the two sentences were ordered to run consecutively.

 

[Risteard]

But that surely is because thats your line of work?

- what about if consumer wants to take down pendant light fitting and put up a 3-way spotlight bought out of argos? - do they need to be reci registered or get an electrician in? - what about if consumer wants to change plastic light switch for a dimmer switch bought from homebase? , what if I wanted to go to homebase tomorrow and buy a 500w PIR halogen fitting , can I not install it myself, would I have to get an electrician in?

- in UK consumer can replace these things without being registered

Nothing to do with line of work - as already stated there is no legal exemption for an owner/occupier.

All electrical work within a domestic dwelling falls within the scope of Restricted Electrical Works except for certain minor works - clarification on minor works can be attained from the CER.

 

[Risteard]

How do you know?

Because I'm psychic.

 

[andyr123]

He was convicted of two offences - carrying out Restricted Electrical Works without being an REC for which he was gaoled for three months, and falsely purporting to be an REC for which he was gaoled for three months - the two sentences were ordered to run consecutively.

But .... he was an electrician... or posing as an electrician, and doing paid work for someone else I presume? ... he want doing work as a consumer in his own home? - of course if he was an electrician or posing to be an electrician , putting publics lives at risk and he didnt have the papers of course he deserved to be punished/prosecuted!

 

[ban-all-sheds]

He was convicted of two offences - carrying out Restricted Electrical Works without being an REC for which he was gaoled for three months, and falsely purporting to be an REC for which he was gaoled for three months - the two sentences were ordered to run consecutively.

OK - let's try again.

How many DIYers have been prosecuted when the only thing they did wrong was to carry out restricted work?

 

[andyr123]

Nothing to do with line of work - as already stated there is no legal exemption for an owner/occupier.

All electrical work within a domestic dwelling falls within the scope of Restricted Electrical Works except for certain minor works - clarification on minor works can be attained from the CER.

If its law I am not disputing you ... but silly, I mean even minor works can electrocute or kill someone or cause a fire - so I wonder how they differentiate between minor and major electrical work?

 

[Risteard]

I don't know the breakdown of how many were DIYers or not.

What I do know and have made clear is that if a DIYer carries out Restricted Electrical Works in their own home then they have committed a criminal offence and are liable to be prosecuted for that. They can face up to three years in gaol for this.

 

[Risteard]

See http://www.walshelectrical.ie/electrical-services.html#restricted-works and http://www.walshelectrical.ie/electrical-services.html#controlled-works

 

[andyr123]

I don't know the breakdown of how many were DIYers or not.

What I do know and have made clear is that if a DIYer carries out Restricted Electrical Works in their own home then they have committed a criminal offence and are liable to be prosecuted for that. They can face up to three years in gaol for this.

I dont want to be lazy .. but then again I dont want to read a whole load of regulations on electrical work so if you have a mo can you go to the regulations part for Diy'ers/ consumers where it says they must not carry out any electrical work i their own home, then highlight it and copy it and paste it here ... I can understand if you dont want to do that though - but it will just save me looking for it and then i can get my head round this... but i do believe you at the moment because I have no proof otherwise, but they just seem silly rules and regulations for consumers

 

[Risteard]

I dont want to be lazy .. but then again I dont want to read a whole load of regulations on electrical work so if you have a mo can you go to the regulations part for Diy'ers/ consumers where it says they must not carry out any electrical work i their own home, then highlight it and copy it and paste it here ... I can understand if you dont want to do that though - but it will just save me looking for it and then i can get my head round this... but i do believe you at the moment because I have no proof otherwise, but they just seem silly rules and regulations for consumers

I provided a link above which explains exactly what you cannot legally do.

 

[andyr123]

I provided a link above which explains exactly what you cannot legally do.

Ok sorry i posted it after you posted the links, and didnt see your links, if you know what I mean

so, these rules cover consumer's doing their own DIY electrical as well then, not just a requirement for professional electricians - interesting that, thanks.

 

[andyr123]

ah well I wouldnt last 5 minutes in prison - any electrical work I want done in future I shall have to get in an electrician .. one that's Reci covered

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I don't know the breakdown of how many were DIYers or not.

No.

But I bet you have a DGI, and don't want to say.

The only example you have given would appear to be a case where there was fraud involved and the work was dangerous.

What I do know and have made clear is that if a DIYer carries out Restricted Electrical Works in their own home then they have committed a criminal offence and are liable to be prosecuted for that. They can face up to three years in gaol for this.

Indeed.

And in England a DIYer can be prosecuted and face an unlimited fine for failing to notify. Not one ever has been.