Ikea kitchen suspension rail screw

[conoral11]

Hi there,

I'm in the process of fitting an ikea kitchen (we've had all our services modified to accomedate ikeas lake of service void) and am about to start fitting the rail systems.

In the instructions it states that you shouldn't use counter sunk screws, and instead use either pan or flanged scews.

What have other people done in the past?

I was thinking on using these http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p68144?table=no into brown rawl plugs into a block party wall.

Is this a suitable fixing, or should I be looking at a different type of screw?

Best Wishes

Conoral11

 

[foxhole]

Never had problem with counter sunk screws , they can move the bracket slightly off line but not significantly.

 

[Doggit]

They advise against countersunk screws because it's just the lip of the screw that's taking all the strain. A pan headed screws spread the load over a wider area. The ones you're looking at don't have a very thick shaft, and could allow the rail to drop, so you want a pan headed screw with a shank that's about the diameter of the slot. But a no 8 (not sure in mm) should be okay.

 

[conoral11]

Thanks guys for the reply,

Would something along these lines be suitable then?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/No-8-No-1...hash=item33c9822535:m:mCM9xJci_JDMQdlHLoxiBcA

And would I still be using a brown rawl plug with them, or a different plug?

 

[Doggit]

Much more sensible. 8x1.5, or 8x2 should be fine

 

[conoral11]

Going slighlty of topic, but still with the rail...

On my stud wall partition, the oven housing unit I'll be using will straddle a stud. The oven unit is the last unit on the run.

This means that I'll have a section of rail that isn't tied down to the studwork of the wall. I'll be having a fridge freezer next to it but its not large enough to hide the rail should I extend the rail to the next stud.



The unit will have 4 feet underneath. Can I get away with simply screwing the end of the railing into the plasterboard with plasterboard fixings, or do I have to take out a chunk of wall and add a noggin? My assumtion is the feet will take the load, the right hand upper bracket will be secured to the rail which is fixed in two studs, and the left hand upper bracket is simply helping the unit to fall forwards.

What do you think?

Best Wishes

Conoral11

 

[Doggit]

If you're using feet, then the rail is for fixing the units to the wall, not for any serious strength, so I personally wouldn't worry about it. You could use a toggle bolt to secure the floating end if you're worried though.

 

[conoral11]

Would fixings such as:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/fischer-s...gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CN3vi-mRytQCFcYHDAodWegOwA

Be suitable for the floting end of the rail? I ask simply because I have some floating around.

 

[foxhole]

Oven housing? you don't put a rail behind floor mounted units.

 

[JohnD]

I have rail all round my kitchen and futility room, because it's easier and stronger than cutting short bits, and I can move wall units at whim. It's painted to blend in with the ceiling.

But it's unlikely that a hanger on a tall unit would happen to be at the right height to fit it.

I suppose it would act as the brace to prevent the unit falling forward if a child climbed on the door.
my rails don't have floating ends, they are screwed to the wall at both ends and frequent intervals along the length.

Are you sure you will never put a wall unit at the end of the run?

 

[rsgaz]

Oven housing? you don't put a rail behind floor mounted units.

But this is Ikea though...

 

[Doggit]

Would fixings such as

You could use them, because foxhole has suggested, floor units are normally just secured against the wall with brackets, so the ikea system doesn't have to be absolutely rock solid. Just be careful to make sure the fixing doesn't get over screwed into the plasterboard.

Oh, and John, that rail you suggested was brilliant.

 

[foxhole]

But this is Ikea though...

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Must be new, fitted a few and none of the instructions mention a rail. Cup'd must be even flimsier than previously.

 

[Doggit]

The cupboards are quite solid, but the rail system allows the cupboards to be hung off the wall, to use minimalist legs at either side. And the same rail system is used for the wall cupboards as well.

 

[lostinthelight]

Hi there,

I'm in the process of fitting an ikea kitchen (we've had all our services modified to accomedate ikeas lake of service void) and am about to start fitting the rail systems.

In the instructions it states that you shouldn't use counter sunk screws, and instead use either pan or flanged scews.

What have other people done in the past?

I was thinking on using these http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p68144?table=no into brown rawl plugs into a block party wall.

Is this a suitable fixing, or should I be looking at a different type of screw?

Best Wishes

Conoral11

I use these for radiator brackets and kitchen wall unit rails into masonry .
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http://www.screwfix.com/p/easydrive-pan-head-concrete-screws-6-x-60mm-100-pack/9665r