Tax the old to help the young?

[EddieM]

Oh the irony

sic as to literally quote an error (in spelling) from another source... I fail to see any irony.

 

[motorbiking]

sic erat scriptum - As it was written. (complete with any errors)

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Insight what do u think it is some secret society , full of secret agents , Russians may be .
Get a grip way r bee its a trade forum , for those who are gas safe registered
Jeez us . What do u think u have uncovered some plot or conspiracy that is going to over throw democracy ? start an armed revolution ?
Perhaps its a Russian plot ?? Gas - ski forum
A threat to national security

Let us examine the facts again:
A**e end, gasbag and foxtrot oscar has told us of some of the talk in there, gossip abut other members, planning on what they are going to do, etc.
A mod had reason to intervene, (we do not know why, but the indication is that the abuse and offence is worse than that in GD forum, see below), and they have been hounded for it ever since.
Mitch and a**e end has told us that abusive and offensive behaviour is more tolerated in CC forum because as they say, there are no 'prissy snowflakes' to be offended.

Now that some insight has emerged about the kind of behaviour that goes on, Bodd, mitch, and a**e end rush to deny it and defend the CC forum, claiming it is run along professional lines. They add some "professional" comments to their defense of CC forum such as:

That's just your paranoia.

You sound like a ten year old. How do you cope with real life?

You are either pulling my chain or seriously unbalanced.

The ignored one is clearly going around the bend,

Your nuts

In their rush to deny the kind of behaviour, they are (in Bodd's, mitch's and a**e end's case) accepting that they were lying previously.
So now we have at least 2 3 unreliable self-admitting liars defending the CC forum, and resorting to insults in the process.
Edit: see below for Bodd's contradiction.

This is exactly the kind of behaviour we now expect of 'self-regulating well-behaved' plumbers? Plumbers who, when they venture onto the GD forum demonstrate their right wing, bordering on the racist, and abusive behaviour.

They are acting precisely as a**e end suggests: "what do u think it is some secret society".
Woe betide anyone, even a mod who dares to enter their inner sanctum, or even criticise the CC forum! Insults and threats will rain down upon them, from well behaved, self-regulating plumbers.

Let me repeat, I have no concerns about what goes on in the CC forum. Plumbers in the CC forum can continue to misbehave to their hearts content, it is not a public forum. My complaint is how membership of the CC forum, and the protection afforded to plumbers, creates a right wing, often racist environment when those plumbers overpopulate the GD forum.


Bodd's contradiction:

 

[Deleted member 174758]

To get back on track.....

So the latest wheeze from government is to suggest raising more tax income from the older members of our country.

Sounds good to me.

After all, by disproportionately voting to leave, the older generation decided to shaft the younger generation who voted to remain.

I earn relatively as much as I did when I was in my thirties, so exactly why should I pay more tax? AFAIK there was no decision to "shaft the younger generation" and not every person of pensionable age voted Leave. So maybe you and the other Remoaners need to learn that in a Democracy every vote counts, young or old.

Thus the coffin dodgers are the ones who should pay the immediate price of their decision!

That comment is just ageist - which incidentally is just as illegal as racism these days

 

[Biker1959]

Nowt to do with Brexit- the Govt caused the problem (Uni fees, Housing (or lack of it) zero hours contracts, low pay etc) so now they come up with a whizzo wheeze to blame it all on the old gits and everyone swallows it

 

[ellal]

Nowt to do with Brexit- the Govt caused the problem (Uni fees, Housing (or lack of it) zero hours contracts, low pay etc) so now they come up with a whizzo wheeze to blame it all on the old gits and everyone swallows it

But, but, but...

Brexiteers claimed that all our 'woes' were down to the EU

As you say, those things were down to our own governments. However the 'old gits' have made it worse by disproportionately voting to further remove the life chances of the young!

So I have no sympathy whatsoever with the 'old gits' - they should have understood the consequences to themselves of jumping off the cliff!

 

[ellal]

So maybe you and the other Remoaners need to learn that in a Democracy every vote counts, young or old.

Ah, so do you actually think that an electoral process that decided (by FPTP) to elect a party with a minority of the vote, who then instigated a referendum for their own political aims is 'democracy'?

Could you tell us exactly how you think 'every vote counts' under FPTP?

And maybe you could tell us, that should our (FPTP) 'elected representatives' decide to go for a second referendum (or a vote on the 'deal'), would that be 'democratic' or going against the 'will of the people'?

 

[Notch7]

Brexiteers claimed that all our 'woes' were down to the EU

Wrong

However the 'old gits' have made it worse by disproportionately voting to further remove the life chances of the young!

Wrong

 

[ellal]

Wrong

Wrong

Please explain why I'm 'wrong'.

 

[Notch7]

elect a party with a minority of the vote,

Maybe a minority but more than any other party

Tory party: 13,636,684

Labour: 12,878,460

 

[ellal]

Maybe a minority but more than any other party

Tory party: 13,636,684

Labour: 12,878,460

Care to give the percentages of the electoral vote?

And letting a minority party set the political agenda is 'democracy' in your book?

But you still haven't answered my question about why I'm 'wrong' - funny thing that!

 

[Ian H]

Brexiteers claimed that all our 'woes' were down to the EU

All of them?

 

[ellal]

All of them?

Get our country/money back...

Remember that bit?

And the EU 'immigrants' also had something to do with it apparently

 

[Gerrydelasel]

Please explain why I'm 'wrong'.

It's been explained a thousand times all over the place. Just google it. Don't expect other people to do everything for you (oh wait, you're a Europhile).

 

[motorbiking]

I wonder if zero hours contracts and the general gig economy would have expended so much in the UK if there was not a ready and willing imported labour force exercising their right to free movement? ONS data shows that nearly 50% more foreign nationals (as a % of the labour force) are on zero hours.

There is an argument that employers can only get away with sh**y terms if the workforce will accept them.