Tax the old to help the young?

[durhamplumber]

tax Corbyn supporters for being so furkin stupid

 

[SirGalahad]

tax Corbyn supporters for being so furkin stupid

That might work but assumes Corbyn gets into power. Right now I am paying for stupid tory cuts that are costing more than they are saving. Where can I ask for my rebate?

 

[transam]

Your flippancy does not negate the fact that you, and mitch, and gasbag, and Bodd have told us of the kind of gossip and physical violence planning that goes on in the CC forum, which you all now deny.

In criminology, there is an unspoken tenet that the first comment is usually the most reliable as far as veracity is concerned.
Any subsequent comments; the person has had time to think about their actions or previous comments and later seek to excuse or explain them.

So should we believe you, gasbag, mitch and Bodd for your first comments when you told us about the misdeeds, or should we believe your later comments when you deny them?
Or can we believe anything you say?
You, especially, have been proven to lie on multiple occasions.

Perhaps the defence of you, et al, in the GD forum, from other plumbers, even when you are overtly racist, Islamophobic, etc, emanates from the assistance given (including finacial sic) in the CC forum, by a few members.
If those few members are racist, Islamophobic etc, they set the tone for plumbers to follow.
Perhaps, if those few members who run the CC forum, enjoy special protection, despite their overt racist and Islamophobic comments in GD forum, exploit that authority to post racist and Islamophobic comments in GD forum (invariably defended by other plumbers when they are criticised) then the GD forum becomes an example of how not to run a discussion website.

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fake news way r bee , you have a rep for fake news . Imho you may be in the pay of the Russians & it is no matter

never read yer post tbh either to long

 

[Deleted member 63160]

So should we believe you, gasbag, mitch and Bodd for your first comments when you told us about the misdeeds, or should we believe your later comments when you deny them?
Or can we believe anything you say

Who is the "we" you talk about? You're the only one with a fixation about the CC. No one else gives a crap. Let it lie FFS.

 

[transam]

Who is the "we" you talk about? You're the only one with a fixation about the CC. No one else gives a crap. Let it lie FFS.

way r bee / him-again go's on these rants every so often he is like a dog with a bone

He has un-covered a plot that is a threat to national security which in his mind is some how linked to the CC Is my take on his rant

 

[Deleted member 174758]

So I have no sympathy whatsoever with the 'old gits' - they should have understood the consequences to themselves of jumping off the cliff!

You really are an ageist little sod, aren't you? What gives you the right to dictate to anyone how they should vote? Or the right to declare anyone who doesn't think your way as, in your eyes, in effect stupid?

Ah, so do you actually think that an electoral process that decided (by FPTP) to elect a party with a minority of the vote, who then instigated a referendum for their own political aims is 'democracy'?

The topic in question at the time was Brexit. And you seem to be determined to lay all the evils of Brexit at the door of older people, without taking on board that a great many working class voters voted Brexit regardless of age. I presume you don't know who the working class are? What they aren't is white collar, middle class armchair socialists - what they are is a largish chunk of society which has been ignored and marginalised by all the political parties over the last 35+ years and who've seen their earning capacity, standard of living and quality/availability of housing steadily eroded, especially as a result of the behaviour of the Labour Party (in government) under Tony Bliar. Like the system or not, the Labour Party (in the 1990s) spent a huge amount of money to have Professor Plant produce a report on electoral reform. It was taken to every branch in the country. Discussed thoroughly and agreed at conference that a future Labour government would impliment electoral reform "within 100 days". Well, they didn't, and as a result we still have the same broken electoral system now that we had then. Thanks to Labour. So AFAIK this is the form of democracy that the grandees in Labour decided was OK, and that's that until we have someone in Parliament with a bit more mettle to sort this out than any of the current lot. And Brexit was a referendum - one person, one vote, two choices. And that is proportional

Could you tell us exactly how you think 'every vote counts' under FPTP?

Immaterial as I was referring to the referendum where everyone had a single vote

And maybe you could tell us, that should our (FPTP) 'elected representatives' decide to go for a second referendum (or a vote on the 'deal'), would that be 'democratic' or going against the 'will of the people'?

You are plainly a Remoaner. AFAIK a vote is a vote - this isn't Russia, so you can't keep running a vote until you get the result you want, so AFAIK unless something unlawful can be found in the referendum Parliament should let it sit. To constantly bellyache as the Remoaners have done and to want to wish it away is certainly not democratic.

BTW, lest you get the wrong impression, I was a member of the Labour Party for a number of years, but Tony Bliar was unpalatable to me (and many others) and, having lived in Europe (as well as being a polyglot) I voted Remain - on the grounds that being inside the tent ****ing out is the better alternative - but I feel strongly that the EU is in need of root and branch reform. In that I am also not alone

And the EU 'immigrants' also had something to do with it apparently

Housing and resource pressure combined with downwards trends in remuneration for unskilled and semi-skilled workers caused by a combination of EU edict, political chicanery (by Bliar's mob) and uncontrolled migration to the UK from the accession states were certainly influences. You'll now call me a xenophobe, no doubt

 

[JohnD]

an ageist little sod,

there's a lot of it about.

The reason the "youngsters" didn't vote to stay in the EU is because they couldn't be bothered to take their stupid faces out of their Candy Crush phones and get off their fat arses to vote.

 

[Notch7]

but I feel strongly that the EU is in need of root and branch reform. In that I am also not alone

You make some very interesting points.

In regard to the EU, Brexit negotiations is making it clear how heavily integrated a nation state really becomes in th EU.

Being a part of that brings lots of benefits, but the attitude of the EU also show how it increasingly behaves in a monopolistic manner with little interest in nation states.

It is clear that the answer to Brexit is going to be more Europe not EU reform. The future of the EU is surely to be greater monopolistic power with nation states having less and less control.

 

[JohnD]

... clear..clear ... surely ....

Speculation and opinion.

 

[Roger928]

Where can I ask for my rebate?

Ask bliar and the rest of the labour shower who left the country bust.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Didn't Blair intentionally change the Labour Party to whatever he thought would make it more attractive to the electorate - less like traditional Labour?

It seemed to work so who is to blame?

 

[SirGalahad]

Ask bliar and the rest of the labour shower who left the country bust.

Only thing bust is your noggin.

 

[Roger928]

there's a lot of it about

You should know...
The aging, isolationist old duffers who support leave are dimly aware that they are doomed to shuffle off, leaving the country in the hands of younger pro-Europeans looking for a lifetime of employment and prosperity for them and their children

Read more: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/its-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-not-the-brexit-you-hoped-for.492810/#ixzz5FETJ1k1U

 

[Notch7]

Speculation and opinion

Just watching newsnight......' EU threatening Poland with article 7 sanctions'

 

[SirGalahad]

Didn't Blair intentionally change the Labour Party to whatever he thought would make it more attractive to the electorate - less like traditional Labour?

It seemed to work so who is to blame?

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2008/04/making-history.html

one of the guests asked her what was her greatest achievement. She replied, "Tony Blair and New Labour. We forced our opponents to change their minds."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3670179.stm

The problem is the Rogers of this world can't see past their own bias and limitations.