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Government amendment on Irish border passed yesterday will effectively keep UK in single market, MPs claim
Starmer says the government agreed in December that there must be no hard border in Ireland after Brexit, meaning no new infrastructure at the border.

He says one of the government amendments passed yesterday (an amendment to the Chris Patten amendment) now makes this a legally binding obligation. He says this did not get much attention yesteday, but it is hugely significant.

Dominic Grieve, the Conservative pro-European, says the Ireland amendment is even more important. To avoid border infrastructure, there would be to be a high level of regulatory alignment, he says.

Starmer agrees.

Ken Clarke, another Conservative pro-European, intervenes. He says the government passing the amendment that Starmer is talking about was the most significant thing that happened yesterday, even though it did not attract much attention. He goes on:

Effectively we are going to reproduce the customs union and the single market and the government will not be able to comply with yesterday’s legal obligation unless it does so.

Starmer agrees. He says the Irish amendments passed yesterday were the most significant event of the day.

  • Government amendment on Irish border passed yesterday will effectively keep UK in single market, MPs claim.

Why Ken Clarke thinks an amendment passed yesterday will effectively keep UK in single market
Earlier several MPs claimed that MPs and the press missed the most significant amendment passed yesterday. (See 1.55pm.) They were referring to amendments passed by the government that altered an amendment passed in the Lords, a Chris Patten amendment saying Brexit policy must not lead to the creation of a hard border in Ireland.

This is what the Patten amendment said:

“Continuation of North-South co-operation and the prevention of new border arrangements

(1) In exercising any of the powers under this Act, a Minister of the Crown or devolved authority must—

(a) act in a way that is compatible with the terms of the Northern Ireland Act 1998, and

(b) have due regard to the joint report from the negotiators of the EU and the United Kingdom Government on progress during phase 1 of negotiations under Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union.

(2) Nothing in section 7, 8, 9 or 17 of this Act authorises regulations which—

(a) diminish any form of North-South cooperation across the full range of political, economic, security, societal and agricultural contexts and frameworks of co-operation, including the continued operation of the North-South implementation bodies, or

(b) create or facilitate border arrangements between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland after exit day which feature—

(i) physical infrastructure, including border posts,

(ii) a requirement for customs or regulatory compliance checks,

(iii) a requirement for security checks,

(iv) random checks on goods vehicles, or

(v) any other checks and controls,

that did not exist before exit day and are not subject to an agreement between Her Majesty’s Government and the Government of Ireland.

Last night, after a debate lasting just 15 minutes, MPs voted for five amendments to this amendment. And then the Patten amendment, as amended was accepted.

Two of the amendments to the amendment passed last night - (d) and (e), set out here on this pages - altered the wording of clause 2b, which refers to border controls.

Taking into account the amendments, clause 2b of the amendment now says:

Nothing in [sections of] this Act authorises regulations which ... create or facilitate border arrangements between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland after exit day which feature physical infrastructure, including border posts, or checks and controls, that did not exist before exit day and are not in accordance with an agreement between the United Kingdom and the EU.

That is the clause in the bill that Ken Clarke thinks will create a legal obligation that will effectively keep the UK in the single market. (See 1.55pm.)
 
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Sorry Kankerot, but I disagree.
Michel Barnier has already stated that the 'backstop' position applies to the island of Ireland, not to the UK in general.
He said something like, " the backstop cannot become a back door entry into the single market, for the UK."
The fact that the government chooses to ignore his comment is irrelevant.

"Michel Barnier has warned that Theresa May’s backstop solution to avoid a border on the island of Ireland raises “more questions than answers” as he ruled out the whole of the UK staying in the customs union and key parts of the single market after Brexit." https://www.theguardian.com/politic...nier-rejects-may-uk-wide-brexit-backstop-plan

Smoke and mirrors by the UK government.

Incidentally, there is still no agreed position between the UK and the EU, on this issue:
"No 10 immediately hit back at Barnier’s rejection of a UK-wide backstop, saying May “has been clear that we will never accept a customs border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom”."
 
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Michel Barnier has already stated that the 'backstop' position applies to the island of Ireland, not to the UK in general.
He said something like, " the backstop cannot become a back door entry into the single market, for the UK."

Well he wont be wanting £40B then will he eh?

Last night I saw that David Davis was still saying single market and customs was a red line they still werent going to cross but others as above said that would be the case.

Single market is one of the 4 principles, so comes attached with free movement.......

How about if free movement was allowed but immigration was controlled within the rules set....unlike previously?

Current government strategy: kick any decisions into the long grass and keep going. I suppose its all about keeping in power by the finger tips. Theresa May was always a remainer and so is the majority of parliament and civil service, so the public are being told one thing but secretly there is no will for any form of Brexit in government.
 
Well he wont be wanting £40B then will he eh?
You do realise that the final settlement is money we have committed to paying, don't you?


Last night I saw that David Davis was still saying single market and customs was a red line they still werent going to cross but others as above said that would be the case.
It will not be the case because EU will not agree to it. read Michel Barnier's comments.

Single market is one of the 4 principles, so comes attached with free movement.......
How about if free movement was allowed but immigration was controlled within the rules set....unlike previously?
That could work...............................hang on! Were there not rules on EU immigration before, and still is. But the UK government are too busy with other things (Brexit) to operate those rules.
Your comment has been done to death a few times previously. (But that does not stop you from making the same silly comment again, and again.)
And getting the same response again and again.

Current government strategy: kick any decisions into the long grass and keep going. I suppose its all about keeping in power by the finger tips. Theresa May was always a remainer and so is the majority of parliament and civil service, so the public are being told one thing but secretly there is no will for any form of Brexit in government.
TM is a died-in-the-wool hard right tory. Do not let anyone else fool you into thinking she was anything other than that.
She will do whatever it takes to protect the 'party'.

It does not matter how long they keep using the long grass, (15 months so far). The clock is ticking.
How can anyone justify the fact that there is now 9½ months and we are out, and still no idea how, what or where we will be then.
 
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It will not be the case because EU will not agree to it. read Michel Barnier's comments.

I never said it would acceptable to the EU, I merely reported what has been said.

That could work...............................hang on! Were there not rules on EU immigration before, and still is. But the UK government are too busy with other things (Brexit) to operate those rules.
Your comment has been done to death a few times previously. (But that does not stop you from making the same silly comment again, and again.)
And getting the same response again and again.

I cant help it if you jump to the wrong conclusion.

I know there were rules before, what I am saying why cant the government agree to free movement but use more powers and systems to stop overstayers remaining. both EU and non EU. Labour want free movement.....

No -Ive commented numerous times because remainers on here keep being dishonest with their comments about free movement, and powers available for restricting numbers. I cant help it if you fail to understand the difference.
 
I know there were rules before, what I am saying why cant the government agree to free movement but use more powers and systems to stop overstayers remaining. both EU and non EU. Labour want free movement.....
What is the point of giving UK more powers when they do not use the powers that they already have?

Again, this has been done to death previously!
But you will keep going round and round, and round.....ad infinitum
Are you hoping that if you go round enough times, you will eventually get the answer that you want?
 
If you want UK industry to crash and burn and mass unemployment then its Hard Brexit.
I never said it would acceptable to the EU, I merely reported what has been said.



I cant help it if you jump to the wrong conclusion.

I know there were rules before, what I am saying why cant the government agree to free movement but use more powers and systems to stop overstayers remaining. both EU and non EU. Labour want free movement.....

No -Ive commented numerous times because remainers on here keep being dishonest with their comments about free movement, and powers available for restricting numbers. I cant help it if you fail to understand the difference.

Which remainers. Which dishonesty?
 
No -Ive commented numerous times because remainers on here keep being dishonest with their comments about free movement, and powers available for restricting numbers. I cant help it if you fail to understand the difference.
Dishonest?

These are the facts!

THE Freedom of Movement directive allows for the "old" countries to restrict the rights of migrants from "new" countries for up to 7 years. The powers vary from stopping migration completely or allowing only for selected categories of work on a work permit basis. In 2004 the UK choose not to use this option at all, when the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia joined. The UK was one of only 3 of the original EU members (UK, Sweden and Eire) to choose not to apply transitional restrictions on these eight countries.

EU Citizens must be self supporting - After 3 months in the UK, EU migrants need to be either working, have a member of the family working or have sufficient funds to live (and have full sickness insurance). If not then they can be returned to their home country.
(The UK does not register migrants as they arrive and as such has no way of knowing how long they have been in the UK. There are no efforts to track or control this movement. This erroneously 'allows' brexiteers to portray the FoM as "uncontrolled migration")

The EU gave further confirmation of existing rights to limit free movement in the package given to D. Cameron in February 2016: 'Whereas the free movement of workers under Article 45 TFEU entails the abolition of any discrimination based on nationality as regards employment, remuneration and other conditions of work and employment, this right may be subject to limitations on grounds of public policy, public security or public health. In addition, if overriding reasons of public interest make it necessary, free movement of workers may be restricted by measures proportionate to the legitimate aim pursued.'
 
Yes which Ive posted before
So what's your gripe about 'dishonesty' ?

The only dishonesty is that of brexiteers who claim that there were no controls available when in reality the UK chose not to employ those controls!

But hey, Brexiteers and reality are mutually exclusive ;)
 
I think the key words are “The” and “A”

ie. The Single Market vs a Single Market. Is this not the difference between alignment vs ability to form independent trade deals?
 
If there's a Single Market, can there be two of them?

there are several options available. The UK has to pick one.

Which shall it be?

 
I think MB is confused between The Single Market, of which, as John rightly says, there is only one, and The/A customs union, of which there can be many.
This is mainly a construct of Labour to avoid saying 'The Customs Union', but wanting a Brexit.
It may have been adopted by some Tories also now.

You cannot be in The/A single market and do other trade deals unilaterally, but you might be able to be in a Customs Union Arrangement, and do other trade deals unilaterally.
That is the aim of DD.
 
If there's a Single Market, can there be two of them?

there are several options available. The UK has to pick one.

Which shall it be?

Which one has labour picked this week?

Which one did it pick last week?
 
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