Membership of the EU

[EFLImpudence]

Most hardware that you may buy carries the CE mark which means it is approved for sale in the EU... When did you last fit a piece of electrical equipment that wasn't CE marked?..

Well, we're not supposed to but I am not sure of the legal status.

Already in many EU countries it is an offence to sell or use equipment without a CE mark,

Is that merely because there is no statute (is that the right word?) stating that you may?

fortunately this is not yet so in the UK and using equipment with no CE mark is still fine though common sense would tell you to fit equipment that meet the relevant BS markings.

So - not entirely satisfactory, then.

BS markings assure of minimum quality standards, CE marking does not.

Surely they are supposed to. What, then, is its purpose?

Going back some years in Germany

You were complaining of the EU now.

it was an offence to stray onto private property, even though it wasn't fenced or marked though access to property was permitted via some means of gate/ path or the like.

Trespass may not be a criminal offence but that doesn't mean you cannot be forced to leave, and there may still be considerable penalties.
I believe the Government has had intentions to change the situation.
Wander round Buck House gardens and see what happens.

any future new invention must be approved for use by the EU

Until then, it would be illegal to use it, would it?



A simple example - Should Portugal (don't know about all of EU) wish to ban smoking in pubs, would they do this by simply removing the present rule/law/statute which states that you may smoke in pubs? Is there one?
As the law on this is not EU wide, how can you say the EU bans everything that is specifically not allowed?
Do they have a rule stating smoking in pubs is allowed in Portugal, this country, that country etc. and leave out (or remove) the countries who have banned it?

Or is it not as you have stated?

 

[vinty]

Actually the Soviets did just as much if not more to defeat Hitler in WW2. If you can't even get that right then I'll
stop reading.

I believe that up to 90% of German losses were inflicted by the Russians.

 

[Captain Black]

Well, we're not supposed to but I am not sure of the legal status.


Is that merely because there is no statute (is that the right word?) stating that you may?


So - not entirely satisfactory, then.


Surely they are supposed to. What, then, is its purpose?


You were complaining of the EU now.


Trespass may not be a criminal offence but that doesn't mean you cannot be forced to leave, and there may still be considerable penalties.
I believe the Government has had intentions to change the situation.
Wander round Buck House gardens and see what happens.






A simple example - Should Portugal (don't know about all of EU) wish to ban smoking in pubs, would they do this by simply removing the present rule/law/statute which states that you may smoke in pubs? Is there one?
As the law on this is not EU wide, how can you say the EU bans everything that is specifically not allowed?
Do they have a rule stating smoking in pubs is allowed in Portugal, this country, that country etc. and leave out (or remove) the countries who have banned it?

Or is it not as you have stated?

Indeed trespass is not a criminal offence in the UK thou you can be asked to leave and fined for any damage that you have done on that property (Trampled crops etc..)
Unless your new invention had CE marking, then it would be illegal to sell in the EU.. No approval.
Smoking would be a different issue as it predates such rules.
Access to Buckingham Palace is restricted by law and is made clear and fenced.
I don't know what happens in Portugal, but In Germany you cannot have a trial by jury, you are tried by a number of professional judges, German systems seem to form the basis of EU systems.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Already in many EU countries it is an offence to sell or use equipment without a CE mark,

Nonsense!

Not all products must bear the CE marking. Only those product categories subject to specific directives that provide for the CE marking are required to be CE marked.
CE marking is mandatory, but only for those products which are covered by the scope of one or more of the New Approach Directives.

You can view the EC New Approach Directives guidance from the Europa website.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/ce-marking

 

[Captain Black]

Nonsense!
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/ce-marking

But you are quoting the UK government.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

But you are quoting the UK government.

Which mirrors the EU legislation, and refers to the Europa website!

 

[Captain Black]

If an enforcement body finds your product does not meet CE marking requirements, they will often provide you with an opportunity to ensure it is correctly CE marked. If you fail to comply with this, you will be obliged to take your product off the market. You may also be liable for a fine and imprisonment.

 

[JohnD]

I see troll black is still heaping her worthless verbiage on the site.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

If an enforcement body finds your product does not meet CE marking requirements, they will often provide you with an opportunity to ensure it is correctly CE marked. If you fail to comply with this, you will be obliged to take your product off the market. You may also be liable for a fine and imprisonment.

FFS! Only for those products that require a CE mark!

Your previous comments have been rubbished, so stop representing your same arguments in different ways:

Already in many EU countries it is an offence to sell or use equipment without a CE mark,

Unless your new invention had CE marking, then it would be illegal to sell in the EU.. .

That is nonsense!

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Already in many EU countries it is an offence to sell or use equipment without a CE mark, fortunately this is not yet so in the UK and using equipment with no CE mark is still fine

While the UK is a member of the EU, EU regulations apply equally to the UK!

 

[Captain Black]

While the UK is a member of the EU, EU regulations apply equally to the UK!

Does Schengen apply to the UK?

 

[Captain Black]

FFS! Only for those products that require a CE mark!

Your previous comments have been rubbished, so stop representing your same arguments in different ways:



That is nonsense!

Oh those crazy Germans!

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Does Schengen apply to the UK?

Are people "goods" to be traded, imported, exported, used, sold, bought?

 

[Captain Black]

While the UK is a member of the EU, EU regulations apply equally to the UK!

You stated EU regulations..

 

[Notch7]

You stated EU regulations..

Yeah but Georgeswalkslikehimamartian hasnt got a scooby, as point out a few posts back, so expect more confused responses. Humour the poor chap