Membership of the EU

[motorbiking]

Indeed trespass is not a criminal offence in the UK thou you can be asked to leave and fined for any damage that you have done on that property (Trampled crops etc..)

Being extremely picky - that isn't true:
Section 16 Railway Regulation Act 1840
Section 23 Regulation of the Railways Act 1868
Section 55 British Transport Commission Act 1949
Sections 128-131 Of The Serious Organised Crime And Police Act 2005
Sectons 61-80 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994
this is not a complete list (e.g. areas of special scientific interest)

In a Civil Trespass, you cannot be fined, you can only be sued for damages.

 

[SirGalahad]

Well done RM - his amendments will cause VAT havoc.

Small businesses will feel the pain. What utter shambles.

 

[Captain Black]

Being extremely picky - that isn't true:
Section 16 Railway Regulation Act 1840
Section 23 Regulation of the Railways Act 1868
Section 55 British Transport Commission Act 1949
Sections 128-131 Of The Serious Organised Crime And Police Act 2005
Sectons 61-80 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994
this is not a complete list (e.g. areas of special scientific interest)

In a Civil Trespass, you cannot be fined, you can only be sued for damages.

Doesn't this highlight what I have said?.. In the UK you can do what you like unless some specific law prevents you

 

[EFLImpudence]

Indeed trespass is not a criminal offence in the UK thou you can be asked to leave and fined for any damage that you have done on that property (Trampled crops etc..)

So - it is not allowed, then.

Unless your new invention had CE marking, then it would be illegal to sell in the EU.. No approval.

Is that unreasonable?
So - it is just not legal for shops to sell it. Are shops in Britain allowed to sell it?
If you bought one from ebay, would it be forbidden to use it because it is not specifically allowed.

Smoking would be a different issue as it predates such rules.

...but you said things were forbidden if not specifically allowed.

Access to Buckingham Palace is restricted by law and is made clear and fenced.

Fair enough. Try some aristocrat's country esatate, then.

I don't know what happens in Portugal, but In Germany you cannot have a trial by jury, you are tried by a number of professional judges, German systems seem to form the basis of EU systems.

So what? Is being judged by (up to) twelve thickos in an adversarial system such a brilliant idea?

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

You stated EU regulations..

Schengen is not an EU regulation. It is an agreement, a Treaty, a Pillar of the four freedoms, a fundamental right for EU citizens.

....in 1985 when cooperation between individual governments led to the signing, in Schengen (a small village in Luxembourg), of the Agreement on the gradual abolition of checks at common borders, followed by the signing in 1990 of the Convention implementing that Agreement.

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen_en

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Already in many EU countries it is an offence to sell or use equipment without a CE mark,

Also nonsense!
If I buy an iPhone in USA/China/Japan, etc and take it to EU, I can quite legally continue to use it.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

If you bought one from ebay, would it be forbidden to use it because it is not specifically allowed.

Of course it is allowed. Captain black is talking nonsense.
Otherwise all old equipment (that, if new, needed a CE mark) would need to be replaced throughout EU.

My Citroen DS 20 does not have a CE mark, but it is fully legal to use.
My grey Fergie does not have a CE mark, but it is fully legal to use.
My Ransomes gang mower does not have a CE mark but it is fully legal to use.
My collection of records do not have CE marks but they are fully legal to use.

 

[Notch7]

Of course it is allowed. Captain black is talking nonsense.
Otherwise all old equipment (that, if new, needed a CE mark) would need to be replaced throughout EU.

My Citroen DS 20 does not have a CE mark, but it is fully legal to use.
My grey Fergie does not have a CE mark, but it is fully legal to use.
My Ransomes gang mower does not have a CE mark but it is fully legal to use.
My collection of records do not have CE marks but they are fully legal to use.

Does your keyboard have a CE mark?

 

[Notch7]

twelve thickos

I'm not sure juries are selected just from the shallow end of the gene pool.

And arent the 12 the final short list

 

[EFLImpudence]

The shallow end goes on for a very long way.

I might be being unfair but they are supposed to be the accused's piers and a general representation.

Even if not thickos - I have never been called for jury service, thank goodness, but I would have no idea of guilt or innocence (not guilty) from the speeches of two actors (lawyers), one of whom must be lying, and the testimony of the accused - obviously all of them say they are innocent but who knows?

 

[Captain Black]

Also nonsense!
If I buy an iPhone in USA/China/Japan, etc and take it to EU, I can quite legally continue to use it.

If you are an EU citizen, then you are the importer of the equipment and so responsible for its certification. If the battery bursts into flames on the aircraft and they can trace it back to you, then who do you think they will prosecute? So, yes the likelihood of you getting into trouble are very small indeed, but that doesn't change the status of your phone

 

[Captain Black]

The shallow end goes on for a very long way.

I might be being unfair but they are supposed to be the accused's piers and a general representation.

Even if not thickos - I have never been called for jury service, thank goodness, but I would have no idea of guilt or innocence (not guilty) from the speeches of two actors (lawyers), one of whom must be lying, and the testimony of the accused - obviously all of them say they are innocent but who knows?

Again, it may appear to be a better system on the face of it but I think that I would prefer to be judged by 12 of you than a professional judge..

 

[EFLImpudence]

You'll never find twelve of me.

 

[Captain Black]

You'll never find twelve of me.

Somehow, I believe you...

 

[noseall]

If

Crap bit of back-peddling by Blackie.