Membership of the EU

[vinty]

At least the Russians achieved victory for their sacrifice.
The Nazis never ever had a realistic chance of defeating the Russians.

 

[noseall]

Russians

Jeremy C. Unt reckons Vlad Putin will be the only one celebrating a hard Brexit. He has obviously not encountered the RWR comrades on diynot/gd. The swingometer at the top of the page tells me there will be a mighty 15 of you celebrating a hard Brexit.
Break out the vodka!

 

[wobs]

It isnt all positive news about the EU.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...as-peaked-data-suggest-amid-mounting-tension/

Note concerns about gross debt in Euro zone.

Although gross debt in UK is too high as well.....

Exactly.
One of my friends made the argument that we should leave as we are in lots of debt. I questioned how leaving, and therefore wreckiing our economy, would help in this.

 

[durhamplumber]

of debt. I questioned how leaving, and therefore wreckiing our economy, would help in this.

Why do you assume its going to wreck the economy? And further presume a wrecked economy,out of EU will not recover?
For sure,staying in EU,Germany will want ever increasing control of it.

 

[Notch7]

Exactly.
One of my friends made the argument that we should leave as we are in lots of debt. I questioned how leaving, and therefore wreckiing our economy, would help in this.

Indeed, uncertainty isnt generally the safe way to reduce debt. And whatever Brexit brings, uncertainty is a ....certain

France has been urging for the European central bank to be stress tested over fears a crash in the US markets could trigger major problems in the Euro zone which has very high level of borrowing

 

[durhamplumber]

whatever Brexit brings, uncertainty is a ....certain

Will bring the certainty of definetly being EX EU....Yehaaaaaa...come on Nige.

 

[wobs]

Why do you assume its going to wreck the economy? And further presume a wrecked economy,out of EU will not recover?

In short: Evidence.
Every study points to us being worse off. Those studies that assume some level of retaining some link (eg. EEA, Customs Union or single market) all point to less of an impact. But a hard brexit will hit the UK hard, and not just in the short term.

For sure,staying in EU,Germany will want ever increasing control of it.

The EU is not Germany. In fact many aspects of the EU was shaped by the UK.

Summary: We are stronger together.

 

[durhamplumber]

The EU is not Germany. In fact many aspects of the EU was shaped by the

Never said the EU is Germany.But is certainly has most economic clout,benefits most from EU and Merkle fancies herself as head of EU and Europe.

 

[durhamplumber]

Summary: We are stronger together.

SUMMARY....bolx

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

France has been urging for the European central bank to be stress tested over fears a crash in the US markets could trigger major problems in the Euro zone which has very high level of borrowing

You have misinterpreted some press release, AGAIN!

ECB to stress test 37 euro area banks as part of the 2018 EU-wide EBA stress test

https://www.banque-france.fr/en/com...-area-banks-part-2018-eu-wide-eba-stress-test

 

[MeldrewsMate]

Just before the in/out referendum I remember that a certain Tory Prime Minister (Cameron) went to Europe to argue for reforms to the EU. I think they told him to bugger-off. I think he argued there was a danger of Britain voting to leave the EU if they didn't agree to reform. He came back with nothing.

We had said referendum. Just before it I joked with mates that I'd "vote leave in the first referendum, then stay in the second one in October if the first went the 'wrong way' ". I admit I was wrong about the second vote being in October but, after the way the vested interests and remoaners have bleeted and mobilised to undermine the democratic will of the people, I am more determined than ever to make sure we get out of the EU, and stay out until it substantially reforms. if they get their way, and we vote to stay, we will have far less influence that we had before. The German dominated EU will effectively tell us to "shut up, sit down, and conform".

I remember the Danes having a referendum on some previous EU treaty ratification, was it Lisbon, Maastrict, or some other? They voted 'the wrong way' and, guess what, they had a second vote, which went 'the right way'. There have been no further votes (best of 3 perhaps?).

I remember the General Synod (or similar) of the Church of England voting NOT to allow the ordaining of women vicars/priests. Clearly this was 'the wrong way' because a couple of months later they voted again, the 'right way'. There have been no further votes on the matter.

I firmly believe that the Europeans (who are not a single entity, rather a collection of countries dominated by Germany), have more to lose by playing hard ball with the UK, or rather the Germans have much more to lose and will cadjole their 'unterlings' into projecting a united European front. I also firmly believe that when it becomes clear that we will have a hard Brexit the EU will panic and capitulate (not saying the Italians will change sides, or the French will collaborate). The mess that is the EU will start to unravel and some EU reforms will be fast tracked through to try to entice us to stay or re-vote.

Even if we have a Hard Brexit, we will quickly adapt, as we have always done, and come out on top. There will be pain on both sides, and both sides will lose out, but if the alternative is to carry on down this path of a German dominated Europe then it's best we get out as soon as possible.

MM

 

[EFLImpudence]

FFS Roger, keep your barbaric protestations of violence for your own countrymen who will appreciate them.

The people outside of "the province" have outgrown such medieval behaviour.


Did not Northern Ireland vote to remain? It's interesting to note that on this occasion you are with the UK as a whole.

 

[Notch7]

You have misinterpreted some press release, AGAIN!

I did not.

Unfortunately you did.

Please do you homework before posting.

Perhaps you need to give yourself a stress test

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

I did not.

Unfortunately you did.

Please do you homework before posting.

Perhaps you need to give yourself a stress test

How about providing your source material so it can be validated to ensure you did not misrepresent the article.

But you will never do that because it will prove beyond a shadow of doubt that you misrepresent anything and everything in pursuance of your ideology, and that you are a habitual and persistent liar.

NB No link to source material provided:

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Do not forget that if it wasn't for Great Britain and the rest of the English-speaking world, the whole of Europe would now be speaking German!

If that had happened in 1914, I'm not sure it would have been a bad thing.

Shared royal families (Russia too) would have kept continuity, with no world war as a backdrop George V & Kaiser Bill might have been able to cajole the Tsar into doing enough to avert the Russian revolution, there'd have been no WW II, and by now nobody alive would remember anything different, just like all the people who live in countries where borders and rulers changed hundreds of years ago get on with their day-to-day lives.