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[ban-all-sheds]

They were not voting for, or against, any particulars of any deal because they were not asked about those, and there were no such options on the ballot paper.

I've said this already.

But you seem incapable of joining the dots.

Given the lack of detail, people who voted leave voted for whatever form leave ended up taking. People who said they wanted to leave were saying they wanted to have whatever form leave ended up taking. People who put a cross in the Leave box on the ballot paper wanted the form that leaving has taken.

Are you incapable of seeing that?

Or are you engaged in a another reality-denial?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Oh dear, oh dear.

'I'm not a racist, but.....'

Why don't you and Ian H go and remedy your ignorance.

https://www.bing.com/search?q="fellow+traveller"

 

[Doppleganger]

Self proclaimed Mr Perfect, Mr Better Than-You uses ‘travellers’ as a derogatory term to attempt to insult another forum member.

You are the worst of us, not the best of us. A total hypocrite, if someone else used the term how you have you would be screaming ‘racist’.

Sorry Ian but I think you are again intentionally maligning another poster over a misrepresentation.
The context in which I see "traveller" used by BAS is "a life traveller", "a companion", " a similar thinking person", "a person in a similar situation".
As used in the pub sign "The Travellers' Rest"
I do not see it used as a term of a "Roma Gypsy"

Therefore, I think you are making intentionally misrepresented allegations.
Not for the first time in as many days.
I saw you as an independent, intelligent, rational person, but, sadly, I am having to reappraise my opinion.

 

[Ian H]

Sorry Ian but I think you are again intentionally maligning another poster over a misrepresentation.

We have seen each of these times differently and you have needed a good few paragraphs to explain your interpretation of what’s being said. The latest, to me, a veiled insult from a guy that takes great pleasure from insulting people.

I saw you as an independent, intelligent, rational person, but, sadly, I am having to reappraise my opinion.

Same here, at first your latest incarnation seemed much improved compared to your previous 2, now i’m not so sure.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Sorry Ian but I think you are again intentionally maligning another poster over a misrepresentation.
The context in which I see "traveller" used by BAS is "a life traveller", "a companion", " a similar thinking person", "a person in a similar situation".
As used in the pub sign "The Travellers' Rest"
I do not see it used as a term of a "Roma Gypsy"

Therefore, I think you are making intentionally misrepresented allegations.

I did give him the benefit of the doubt of simple ignorance.

But as he has now repeated his claim that "fellow traveller" was a veiled insult, even though there can no longer be any doubt that he knows it wasn't, I think you ae right.

 

[durhamplumber]

But you seem incapable of joining the dots.

Given the lack of detail, people who voted leave voted for whatever form leave ended up taking. People who said they wanted to leave were saying they wanted to have whatever form leave ended up taking. People who put a cross in the Leave box on the ballot paper wanted the form that leaving has taken.

Are you incapable of seeing that?

Or are you engaged in a another reality-denial?

No mummy,we not in de Nile.

 

[Doppleganger]

We have seen each of these times differently and you have needed a good few paragraphs to explain your interpretation of what’s being said. The latest, to me, a veiled insult from a guy that takes great pleasure from insulting people.




Same here, at first your latest incarnation seemed much improved compared to your previous 2, now i’m not so sure.

To point out an attempt at maligning another poster is not an insult. It is my opinion, my perception of your actions, intentional or accidental.

Your first maligning, of ellal, you admitted that you failed to consider the context of his comment, and misrepresented his post.
Your second maligning, of BAS, you make no attempt at any explanation for your allegation at BAS, instead you respond with claims of my insulting behaviour. I have explained how I think you were badly mistaken.
You now resort to subscribing to conspiracy theories and accusing me of being insulting. Your behaviour is developing into a pattern.
I expected greater things of you.

 

[Notch7]

Sorry Ian but I think you are again intentionally maligning another poster over a misrepresentation.
The context in which I see "traveller" used by BAS is "a life traveller", "a companion", " a similar thinking person", "a person in a similar situation".
As used in the pub sign "The Travellers' Rest"
I do not see it used as a term of a "Roma Gypsy"

Therefore, I think you are making intentionally misrepresented allegations.
Not for the first time in as many days.
I saw you as an independent, intelligent, rational person, but, sadly, I am having to reappraise my opinion.

Complete and utter rubbish.

Having looked up the term 'fellow traveller' I can see it is an American phrase. It actually seems to mean a person sympathetic to the communism, but not yet a member of the American communist party.

BAS was thus using the term incorrectly. He used it in a pejorative sense and this is the UK where traveller refers to a specific group of people.

Seems like BAS and NippleDung are the ones looking stupid.
Ha ha ha; twas ever thus

 

[Doppleganger]

Complete and utter rubbish.

Having looked up the term 'fellow traveller' I can see it is an American phrase. It actually seems to mean a person sympathetic to the communism, but not yet a member of the American communist party.

BAS was thus using the term incorrectly. He used it in a pejorative sense and this is the UK where traveller refers to a specific group of people.

Seems like BAS and NippleDung are the ones looking stupid.
Ha ha ha; twas ever thus

In U.S. politics, during the 1940s and the 1950s, the term fellow traveler was a pejorative term

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellow_traveller
I think we can reliably assume that we are not discussing US politics.
BAS did not use the phrase in any way in connection to US politics.
To transcend BAS's use of the phrase into US politics, is a deliberate attempt to shore up a lost cause.

Also BAS used the term "fellow traveller" so your representation of his comment is inaccurate, and I suspect, also an intentional misrepresentation.
If you resort to intentional misrepresentation to support your argument, you might as well accept and admit that your argument is suitably flawed.

 

[Notch7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellow_traveller
I think we can reliably assume that we are not discussing US politics.
BAS did not use the phrase in any way in connection to US politics.
To transcend BAS's use of the phrase into US politics, is a deliberate attempt to shore up a lost cause.

Also BAS used the term "fellow traveller" so your representation of his comment is inaccurate, and I suspect, also an intentional misrepresentation.
If you resort to intentional misrepresentation to support your argument, you might as well accept and admit that your argument is suitably flawed.

More rubbish.

BAS linked to wikepedia, an American site. His claim is the phrase he used had that meaning.

It means nothing in the UK. Traveller does mean something though.

So make your mind up which direction you would your stupidity proven

 

[Doppleganger]

More rubbish.

BAS linked to wikepedia, an American site. His claim is the phrase he used had that meaning.

It means nothing in the UK. Traveller does mean something though.

So make your mind up which direction you would your stupidity proven

BAS linked to Bing.
I linked to wikipedia.
But your comment is irrelevant because both sites are capable of distinguishing between US colloquial use and UK colloquial use.
So "fellow travellers" means nothing in UK?

"A person who travels with another.

‘the flight attendant asked my fellow travellers to turn off their phones’" https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fellow_traveller
You'd best tell Oxford English Dictionary about their mistake.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I thought any derogatory statement about anyone was racist now.

Perhaps Ian has some French ancestry,

MOD: I feel this thread is done.