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[Notch7]

have posted numerous scientific articles explaining racial essentialism, which is what you believe.
Therefore my allegation of you being a racist is based on those articles, your belief, and your own arguments

It is totally unacceptable that you call people racist with no proof.

 

[Bodd]

The link that I provided was as I described it. John's reference to t was as I described it.

I explained that if there was any misinformation, or fake news, it emanated from those news articles.
You introduced a later article, which I accepted and explained that John knew it was an old incident that he was referring to, He was entitled to refer to an old incident if he wants.
I am not aware that I need to apologise for anything. I have not insulted you. On that one issue, you were incorrect. That news article was less than 24 hours before John's post.
That were later posts, but the facts of the case remain unchanged: two Polish fellas, one of whom died, beaten up by about twenty youths, one of whom was a right thug, in Harlow.
We can surmise that the other youths were also thugs. But that would be supposition.

OK let's beg to differ... But you must accept now that I owe John no apology

 

[durhamplumber]

do not have to worry that my children will be given Kosher food at school and indoctrinated with Kosher beliefs.

Avoid: Warburtons and Kingsmill bread; McCain oven chips, and Manchester's "Curry Mile" - hell on Earth.

Bizarre..Properly,,,,Bizarre.So you do not mind your kids indoctrinated,as long as its our invisible being and not Islam??

 

[JohnD]

I owe John no apology

that depends. What did you say?

 

[Bodd]

that depends. What did you say?

In nut shell, words to the effect I said your spreading hatred and trying to turn people against each other...

 

[JohnD]

Nonsense.

 

[Bodd]

Nonsense.

Straight to the point without the detail in a nutshell

Thank you for that.

 

[jasonzyx]

It is totally unacceptable that you call people racist with no proof.

The proof is there for all to see. Often it is in the comments they post, such as andy, reaganandcarter, hawkeye, et al.

In the case of ELFImpudence and others who believe in racial essentialism, it is a fundamentally racist ideology.
As I said yesterday if you believe in Christianity, you are a christian. If you believe in communism, you are a communist. If you believe in creationism, your are a creationist, if you believe in conspiracy theories, your are a conspiracy theorist. If you believe in a racist ideology, you are a racist.
There is the proof.
How can you believe in an ideology, and you base your attitude, behaviour and arguments on that ideology, how can you not be one of those believers?

 

[jasonzyx]

But you must accept now that I owe John no apology

I will accept your suggestion if you can find some evidence to support your accusation:

...l, words to the effect I said your spreading hatred and trying to turn people against each other...

If you cannot provide such evidence, I cannot accept your proposal.

 

[EFLImpudence]

In the case of ELFImpudence and others who believe in racial essentialism, it is a fundamentally racist ideology.

Your thinking and accusations are fundamentally flawed. There's a surprise.

Firstly, what is the name used for the groups (types) of people in the hypothesis? The clue is in the title.


Then, because I agree that these groups exist (obvious and undeniable) is no confirmation that I agree with the rest of the concept nor the supposition that some of these types are inferior to others.

 

[jasonzyx]

Your thinking and accusations are fundamentally flawed. There's a surprise.

Please explain. A simple statement, merely your opinion will not do.

Firstly, what is the name used for the groups (types) of people in the hypothesis? The clue is in the title.

We've already agreed that, types, etnicities, religions, even races or breeds, if you like.
But we can only use 'race' if it is the socially constructed concept of race because science has proven that there is only one human race. Therefore you cannot divide the human race into different races in a biological, scientific sense.
We don't use 'breed' for reasons explained yesterday. Race is used for humans, and breed is used for animals.
But it doesn't matter how many breeds of cats there are they are still all cats. That will never change.
It doesn't matter how many distinct groups humans can be sub-divided into whatever word you choose to use, they will still be humans, and that will never change.

Then, because I agree that these groups exist (obvious and undeniable) is no confirmation that I agree with the rest of the concept nor the supposition that some of these types are inferior to others.

If you insist that the human race is sub-divided into scientifically based, biologically based different classifications, you are ascribing to the outdated Darwinian notion that the human race sub-divided into different 'races' some time in the distant past. That is a fundamental racist ideology because it argues that there are biological differences which predetermine the abilities, characteristics and traits.
If abilities, characteristics and traits are predetermined, then that is a racist ideology.

 

[Notch7]

That is a fundamental racist ideology because it argues that there are biological differences which predetermine the abilities, characteristics and traits.
If abilities, characteristics and traits are predetermined, then that is a racist ideology

there are biological differences which predetermine characteristics and traits.

Sickle cell anemia for eg

Sickle cell disease is more common in certain ethnicgroups, including: People of African descent, including African-Americans (among whom 1 in 12 carries asickle cell gene) Hispanic-Americans from Central and South America. People of Middle Eastern, Asian, Indian, and Mediterranean descent.

Himagin therefore thinks that science is a racist ideology

Has Himagin considered taking up Yoga?

 

[jasonzyx]

there are biological differences which predetermine characteristics and traits.

Sickle cell anemia for eg

Sickle cell disease is more common in certain ethnicgroups, including: People of African descent, including African-Americans (among whom 1 in 12 carries asickle cell gene) Hispanic-Americans from Central and South America. People of Middle Eastern, Asian, Indian, and Mediterranean descent.

Himagin therefore thinks that science is a racist ideology

Has Himagin considered taking up Yoga?

Your post hardly deserves a response. But I will nonetheless.

First of all, lets decide if Sickle cell anemia is a characteristic, trait or disease.

Sickle cell disease mainly affects people of African, Caribbean, Middle Eastern, Eastern Mediterranean and Asian origin.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/sickle-cell-disease/​

That's cleared that up.
Now let's decide if this disease affects all of a certain group, or type, or race as ELFImpudence likes to call them

Sickle cell disease is caused by a faulty gene that affects how red blood cells develop.
If both parents have this faulty gene, there's a 25% chance of each child they have being born with sickle cell disease.
The child's parents often won't have the condition themselves because they're only carriers of the sickle cell trait (see below).
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/sickle-cell-disease/​

Evidently not. It is a disease inherited from the parents, but only if both parents carry the faulty gene.
So not a trait or characteristic that is common among a group of people from a geographical area. But as a disease it is more common among certain groups, which mean it does not predetermine traits, characteristics or abilities.
That's also cleared that up.

So as notch is so ignorant about science, is obviously incapable of understanding basic differences between disease and traits, it is reasonable to accept that he is in no position to make, or offer a rational or logical opinion on whether anyone's else opinion is valid. He has proven that it is highly probable that he will misunderstand the comments made.

To suggest that I opine that science is a racist ideology is a typical example of his blatant and flagrant trolling, as usual.
He is well known for his invented facts and abusive behaviour.

 

[Notch7]

So not a trait or characteristic that is common among a group of people from a geographical area

Science says it is old bean:

The prevalence of the sickle cell trait varies markedly between different regions but reaches levels as high as 40% in some areas of sub-Saharan Africa, eastern Saudi Arabia, and central India.

The sickle cell trait is widespread throughout Africa

 

[jasonzyx]

Science says it is old bean:

The prevalence of the sickle cell trait varies markedly between different regions but reaches levels as high as 40% in some areas of sub-Saharan Africa, eastern Saudi Arabia, and central India.

The sickle cell trait is widespread throughout Africa

What is your source of your information?
I don't want your invented facts.

What is the difference between a trait, a disease and a characteristic. And which of them predetermine ability.
Don't forget 'ability' because racial essentialism also argues that ability is predetermined by 'race'