What did Winston churchill do that was so wrong

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Churchill has a statue because he lead the country and most of Europe through the 2nd world war.
The statue commemorates Churchill. It should remind people of his murderous atrocities, as well as his defeat of Nazis.
I would say, on balance, his murderous atrocities outweigh his leadership. Of course, if we recognise that murderous tendencies are necessary for leading a nation to winning wars, than he deserves his place in UK history, as a Genghis Khan type character.



We can only build a better future if we learn form the past. But if we whitewash the history, airbrushing out the atrocities, we cannot learn from the past.


Do you really think Winston or Franklin enjoyed killing French Women and Children when liberating Europe.?
 
The statue of Churchill was defaced in 2000 during an anti-capitalist protest, during 2003 for a peace protest, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2019
But there was no counter protest. There was no 'defenders of statues' movement.

This time, it's different. I wonder why.

I was wondering that as well :confused::confused:

Tis a conundrum

I shall give it some consideration :confused:

:cool:
 
People sometimes don't realise what is going on.

Stalin more extreme French revolution type thing. Change the ideology and get rid of people who might bring the old one back. Also one of the reasons for wars - changing ideology. Religion is often reckoned to have killed more over all years than anything else and still figures today. It has tribal elements as well.

Mao generally reckoned to have done his country a lot of good in some ways. Most killed due to a famine as far as I am aware - bad planning.

Dear old bobby............ essentially lacks perspective on any subject he posts on. It's a much greyer world than he imagines and often hasn't a clue on what is going on or was going on at some point in the past. Typical press fodder.
 
Afaik Mao there was a massive drug problem in China prior to Mao taking control
Opiumn addicts

Mao sorted it I suppose

he had em all shot / executed
 
The statue of Churchill was defaced in 2000 during an anti-capitalist protest, during 2003 for a peace protest, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2019
But there was no counter protest. There was no 'defenders of statues' movement.

This time, it's different. I wonder why.
Because there is no cure for stupid
 
Churchill's fault was he did not let Hitler invade us and he didn't let Hitler keep Europa. ;)
 
Afaik Mao there was a massive drug problem in China prior to Mao taking control

Like Stalin he also wanted to bring his country into the 20th century. Not that I am excusing techniques.

The Great Chinese Famine (Chinese: 三年大饥荒, "three years of famine") was a period in the history of the People's Republic of China (PRC) which was characterized by widespread famine between the years 1959 and 1961.[2][3][4][5][6] Some scholars have also included the years 1958 or 1962.[6][7][8][9] The Great Chinese Famine is widely regarded as the deadliest famine and one of the greatest man-made disasters in human history, with an estimated death toll due to starvation that ranges in the tens of millions.[3][4][5][10][11][12][13][14][15]

The major contributing factors in the famine were the policies of the Great Leap Forward (1958 to 1962) and People's commune, in addition to some natural disasters such as droughts which took place during the period.[3][5][7][12][14][16] In April and May 1961, Liu Shaoqi, the 2nd Chairman of PRC attributed the famine 30% to natural disasters and 70% to man-made policies ("三分天灾, 七分人祸").[7][17][18] After the launch of Reforms and Opening Up, the Communist Party of China (CPC) officially stated in 1981 that the famine was mainly due to the mistakes of the Great Leap Forward as well as the Anti-Rightist Campaign, in addition to some natural disasters and the Sino-Soviet split.[
 
Can we do this with no boring links. Just what you know.

Id like to add not all links are boring
serious? didn’t you know ,people don’t know much ,just capable of latching onto other peoples opinions that suit them and that sound the most pc.
 
Afaik Mao there was a massive drug problem in China prior to Mao taking control

Of course there was.

Imperial China used to have strict anti-drugs laws.

The British Empire produced lots of opium.

China banned its import.

The British attacked and invaded China to force it to accept British Empire narcotics exports.

This spread addiction and did vast damage to the health, political integrity and economy of China.

The profits from the drugs wars made British generals rich, and propped up the British balance of payments.

Have you never heard of that?

There are some Brexers who think that countries which were formerly colonies will welcome back their former masters with love and respect.
 
Of course there was.

Imperial China used to have strict anti-drugs laws.

The British Empire produced lots of opium.

China banned its import.

The British attacked and invaded China to force it to accept British Empire narcotics exports.

This spread addiction and did vast damage to the health, political integrity and economy of China.

The profits from the drugs wars made British generals rich, and propped up the British balance of payments.

Have you never heard of that?

There are some Brexers who think that countries which were formerly colonies will welcome back their former masters with love and respect.


Your amazing John.... You want to move forward yet you can't get over the past in which you or I have no control over.
 
How about including the source of your information?

I must say though, I think your motives for starting the discussion have rather backfired on you.
I suspect that you wanted dismiss such stories of atrocities, and to re-acquire the 'whitewashed' history of Churchill, with the atrocities airbrushed out of the narrative.
Instead, what you have done is to provide the opportunity for some, not all, of Churchill's atrocities to be aired.

Perhaps you could start a discussion about other 'great' British leaders? How about Kitchener who killed and incarcerated hundreds of thousands in South Africa.

Kitchener initiated plans to flush out guerrillas in a series of systematic drives, organised like a sporting shoot, with success defined by a weekly 'bag' of killed, captured and wounded, and sweep the country bare of everything that could give sustenance to the guerrillas, including women and children ... It was the clearance of civilians—uprooting a whole nation—that would come to dominate the last phase of the war...
...the Boer War concentration camp system was the first time that a whole nation had been systematically targeted, and the first in which some whole regions had been depopulated...
...Over 26,000 women and children perished in these concentration camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps
For those who wish to delve into the inglorious past of British colonial rule, will find numerous examples of such murderous atrocities.
Granted, they were perfectly legal actions at the time. sigh!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Imphal

The Japanese defeat at Kohima and Imphal was the largest up until that time, with many of the Japanese deaths resulting from starvation, disease and exhaustion suffered during their retreat.

Of course if supplies had not been diverted to the front line of Europe then the Japs would have had plenty to eat...

War it tough. Making decisions must have been just as tough.... Thank god there wasn't too many of you about. Otherwise we would be an all white nation of Nazis or Russians.
 
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