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Do you really think Churchill set the tactics used in the "wars" he was involved in. Or Mrs T over the Falklands.
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Churchill has a statue because he lead the country and most of Europe through the 2nd world war.
The statue commemorates Churchill. It should remind people of his murderous atrocities, as well as his defeat of Nazis.
I would say, on balance, his murderous atrocities outweigh his leadership. Of course, if we recognise that murderous tendencies are necessary for leading a nation to winning wars, than he deserves his place in UK history, as a Genghis Khan type character.
We can only build a better future if we learn form the past. But if we whitewash the history, airbrushing out the atrocities, we cannot learn from the past.
Churchill 10,000,000
Kitchener 100's of 1,000's
Just to mention two of the inglorious great British leaders.
The statue of Churchill was defaced in 2000 during an anti-capitalist protest, during 2003 for a peace protest, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2019
But there was no counter protest. There was no 'defenders of statues' movement.
This time, it's different. I wonder why.
Because there is no cure for stupidThe statue of Churchill was defaced in 2000 during an anti-capitalist protest, during 2003 for a peace protest, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2019
But there was no counter protest. There was no 'defenders of statues' movement.
This time, it's different. I wonder why.
Afaik Mao there was a massive drug problem in China prior to Mao taking control
serious? didn’t you know ,people don’t know much ,just capable of latching onto other peoples opinions that suit them and that sound the most pc.Can we do this with no boring links. Just what you know.
Id like to add not all links are boring
Afaik Mao there was a massive drug problem in China prior to Mao taking control
Of course there was.
Imperial China used to have strict anti-drugs laws.
The British Empire produced lots of opium.
China banned its import.
The British attacked and invaded China to force it to accept British Empire narcotics exports.
This spread addiction and did vast damage to the health, political integrity and economy of China.
The profits from the drugs wars made British generals rich, and propped up the British balance of payments.
Have you never heard of that?
There are some Brexers who think that countries which were formerly colonies will welcome back their former masters with love and respect.
I must say though, I think your motives for starting the discussion have rather backfired on you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_ImphalHow about including the source of your information?
I must say though, I think your motives for starting the discussion have rather backfired on you.
I suspect that you wanted dismiss such stories of atrocities, and to re-acquire the 'whitewashed' history of Churchill, with the atrocities airbrushed out of the narrative.
Instead, what you have done is to provide the opportunity for some, not all, of Churchill's atrocities to be aired.
Perhaps you could start a discussion about other 'great' British leaders? How about Kitchener who killed and incarcerated hundreds of thousands in South Africa.
Kitchener initiated plans to flush out guerrillas in a series of systematic drives, organised like a sporting shoot, with success defined by a weekly 'bag' of killed, captured and wounded, and sweep the country bare of everything that could give sustenance to the guerrillas, including women and children ... It was the clearance of civilians—uprooting a whole nation—that would come to dominate the last phase of the war...For those who wish to delve into the inglorious past of British colonial rule, will find numerous examples of such murderous atrocities.
...the Boer War concentration camp system was the first time that a whole nation had been systematically targeted, and the first in which some whole regions had been depopulated...
...Over 26,000 women and children perished in these concentration camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps
Granted, they were perfectly legal actions at the time. sigh!