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To me a placebo is a 'fake' drug which convinces the taker they are getting the real thing so they believe they are receiving treatment. It has a phycological effect on the patient instead of a medicinal effect. If I am correct then can someone please explain why giving a placebo inoculation will stop them getting the virus?
Someone mentioned in another post of mine that the Thalidomide treatment was not inoculation. Quite correct, but at the time it was hailed as the wonder drug to cure morning sickness in pregnant women. However, the point I was trying to make was that it did not undergo full clinical trials before being released and it was years later when someone made the link with what happened to new born children. What makes you think that a vaccine hurriedly concocted in a lab and been tested in the space of 12 months, (less be generous because it has been 12 months yet), is going to be completely safe from any side effects? In the normal run of things new drugs take years of lab testing, followed by more years of strictly controlled trials, before they are released on the general population and even then effects show up which causes them to be withdrawn at some later date.
I'll take my chances with shielding and spacing thank you. I'm no guinea pig for anyone.
Someone mentioned in another post of mine that the Thalidomide treatment was not inoculation. Quite correct, but at the time it was hailed as the wonder drug to cure morning sickness in pregnant women. However, the point I was trying to make was that it did not undergo full clinical trials before being released and it was years later when someone made the link with what happened to new born children. What makes you think that a vaccine hurriedly concocted in a lab and been tested in the space of 12 months, (less be generous because it has been 12 months yet), is going to be completely safe from any side effects? In the normal run of things new drugs take years of lab testing, followed by more years of strictly controlled trials, before they are released on the general population and even then effects show up which causes them to be withdrawn at some later date.
I'll take my chances with shielding and spacing thank you. I'm no guinea pig for anyone.
The more realistic the placebo the better. Otherwise your trial participants might worry they aren't immunised and behave differently. You also presumably want to have a baseline of a known, safe, vaccine for adverse side effect results and to reinforce the placebo effect evenly over both groups.
Not a drug. Until you stop making that mistake you'll keep getting the wrong conclusions.
As for the testing think of it as applying for a passport. You can pay a small fee and send it by post and recieve it a few weeks or months later. Or you pay far more, head to the office and get it done the same day. All the same steps are being followed but they're done as quickly as possible and all other work is postponed, at increased cost.
The only thing that is lacking is longer term data, but I haven't seen anyone show any vaccine that passed the phase 1-3 trials that was subsequently withdrawn for safety reasons.
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Good..is it not?
R5L yesterday morning (on "Wake up to Money", about 12 minutes in).
Interesting points about how the vaccine companies and their income streams, and the degree of incentive to produce a "best vaccine" (with associated culling of own revenue stream?)
Interesting points about how the vaccine companies and their income streams, and the degree of incentive to produce a "best vaccine" (with associated culling of own revenue stream?)
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It won't. That's not how it works or what it means.
And given the alleged requirement for repeated 'tests', a non stop revenue stream for the pharma companies!
Just the latest scam that the corporates always use to exploit any given situation which their political puppets 'allow' to happen
We need to beat Covid now not in a years time when it has spread even more , this vaccine appears to better than nothing at the moment
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"Thalidomide changed our relationship with new medicines for ever.
It took five years for the connection between thalidomide taken by pregnant women and the impact on their children to be made. Not only did thalidomide change people’s lives, but it resulted in tighter drug testing and reporting of side-effects.":
STILL used today.
It took five years for the connection between thalidomide taken by pregnant women and the impact on their children to be made. Not only did thalidomide change people’s lives, but it resulted in tighter drug testing and reporting of side-effects.":
STILL used today.
Thalidomide is a drug, not a vaccine.
More stringent testing takes place today, partially due to Thalidomide.
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You're quite welcome to my dose, and if you're still posting a year later, I may have a rethink.
Please look at the 14 diseases almost eradicated by vaccines........ https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/forgot-14-diseases.html
Now please tell us how many millions of lives have not been saved, by these vaccines.
By the way, I have had a new house built for you, and the other anti-vaxers..
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I am not an anti vaxer, I just don't want something that has been tried for a few weeks on a handful (in the grand scheme of things) of people.
Sorry, I will give your room to someone else.........
All vaccines have a very small risk, but the massive benefits for the majority, outweigh the rare reaction.
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