Now that is service!

[^woody^]

I imagine if your brother shares your bigotry, of course he's going to act in the same way as you do and try to generate hate and division.

Let's just wait to see if anyone posts a positive yarn involving a gypsy job, as per the thread title.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Let's just wait to see if anyone posts a positive yarn involving a gypsy job, as per the thread title.

For how long have Romany Gypsies suffered from discrimination and prejudice?

 

[Notch7]

The bill could have been a lot worse. My brother works in Trading Standards. From the horror stories he tells me that £300 would be loose change if the 'work' had been carried out by members of the travelling community. For a simple, basic job carried out whether it was needed or not and usually to abysmal standards - you could add another nought or two to your bill. But most of the people unlucky enough to be pressured into having this work done are old and vulnerable and feel they have to pay up.

Sadly this is not restricted to the "travelling community"

My father, who was once a financial director and very savvy, but recently old, frail and vulnerable, got conned quite a few times by "cold callers"

Roof tiles seems a favourite.


My Dad nearly got conned by one of the UKs biggest stairlift companies: the salesman got my Dad signed up on a price over a £1000 too high.

 

[Notch7]

Let's just wait to see if anyone posts a positive yarn involving a gypsy job, as per the thread title.

I once bought some "lucky heather" from a lovely lady....It was a bargain at just £50.00

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Sadly this is not restricted to the "travelling community"

I daresay the incidences of such practices by so called High Street operators far outweigh the incidences of the travelling community.
But I can easily guess which gets the most bad publicity.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

For how long have Romany Gypsies suffered from discrimination and prejudice?

These ain't Romanies, Jizzler.

 

[Brigadier]

True to form, ReganAndCarter never fails to grasp an opportunity to deprecate a group of people that he harbours hatred towards.

If Regan was being economical with the truth, you should have no trouble pointing it out.

Actually, I was looking at A Guardian article, and this extract summarises your position perfectly:


"But if we automatically assume that Trump is the one in the wrong, we may end up with egg our faces. For example, when Trump claimed that millions of non-citizens voted illegally in the 2016 election, the Washington Post called him out in a “factcheck”. But it turned out the Washington Post itself had published an article making this very same claim. The factcheckers were so sure Trump invented the lie that they didn’t notice they had spread it themselves."

"But if we automatically assume that Trump is the one in the wrong, we may end up with egg our faces."



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/10/media-bias-is-ok-if-its-honest

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I once bought some "lucky heather" from a lovely lady....It was a bargain at just £50.00

Ppfff, you were conned. It wasn't real heather.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

If Regan was being economical with the truth, you should have no trouble pointing it out.

How the heck do I disprove what his (probably prejudiced) brother related to him?

Any ideas for a fact checker for Regan's stories?

Additionally, the Washington Post article referred to the 2008 and 2014 election.
They were referring to non-citizens voting.
Due to the heavy criticism received the Post made a prelude to the article:

Richman and Earnest’s thesis was extremely controversial, and was so heavily criticized that the Post ultimately published a note preceding the article, pointing out that many objections to the work had been made​

 

[^woody^]

I once bought some "lucky heather" from a lovely lady....It was a bargain at just £50.00

It didn't work for you. We've left.

What's her refund policy?

 

[^woody^]

For how long have Romany Gypsies suffered from discrimination and prejudice?

For as long as they've deserved it.

 

[Notch7]

A sizeable part of my brother's work is trying to get travellers to repay large sums of money to often old or vulnerable people who have been intimidated into paying for 'pretend' roofing jobs. When they don't, he takes great delight in prosecuting them. A recent case he had was a retired school teacher in her 90s (their preferred target age range) who had been relieved of £50,000 for gutter cleaning and other spurious, small roofing jobs. They are nearly always very unpleasant people who bully their victims and know how to extort money and leave their victims distressed and ashamed at being duped. You may wish to pretend it's prejudice because of your ignorance and naivety, but it's actually the travellers' MO and the type of activity that large numbers of them are involved in. How else do you think that illiterate people living in a field can afford brand new vehicles and top of the range caravans? Selling pegs and lucky heather?[/QUOTE
this is part of the culture of some travelling communities....and you are right they can be pretty intimidating.

I used to see some "scrap metal collectors" that used to come around to my joinery shop -in the summer when the shutters were open they would just walk straight in, sometimes with their kids who are just really in your face -they would just pick stuff up, one of them even walked up to one of machinists and kicked him.

And it is true, the police want to avoid having to do a raid, it takes up too much manpower. So they do get away with it.


It is not bigotry to point out these things, as long as we acknowledge not all travellers are like it (my mother used to teach some Gypsy children and some are lovely families -I have a fair bit of anecdotal evidence from both sides of the coin).

 

[Notch7]

It didn't work for you. We've left.

What's her refund policy?

oh dear Woody the Snowflake is still upset.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

You've missed the square bracket from the end of Regan's quote.

 

[festive]

A sizeable part of my brother's work is trying to get travellers to repay large sums of money to often old or vulnerable people who have been intimidated into paying for 'pretend' roofing jobs. When they don't, he takes great delight in prosecuting them. A recent case he had was a retired school teacher in her 90s (their preferred target age range) who had been relieved of £50,000 for gutter cleaning and other spurious, small roofing jobs. They are nearly always very unpleasant people who bully their victims and know how to extort money and leave their victims distressed and ashamed at being duped. You may wish to pretend it's prejudice because of your ignorance and naivety, but it's actually the travellers' MO and the type of activity that large numbers of them are involved in. How else do you think that illiterate people living in a field can afford brand new vehicles and top of the range caravans? Selling pegs and lucky heather?

Big respect to your brother we were burgled by some of these people a while back, i went out of my way to corelate some HQ cctv evidence i had into a very precise detail of the offenders car which eventually led to a prosecution, was still so surprised how long it took and how much evidence they needed, despite the police initially searching a caravan and finding my office TV there all boxed up as it left my office captured on camera. And they wonder why they are not welcome near to civilised people.