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[noseall]

They were on their knees and relied on our shipments to keep them afloat.

Nonsense. Whilst the British aid was indeed well timed and strategically important, the Russians were fighting against a determined German army on a massive scale. It certainly helped but was by no means a tide turner. That was down to the dogged Ruskies, their huge numbers and their own industrial nous.

But as you say it's all conjecture

Not really, no. It's well documented that Operation Barbarossa and the huge Russian sacrifice turned the war.

It's no secret.

 

[transam]

Dutch
Norwegians
Belgys
Finns
Swedes

and something like 15000 Muslims from Yugoslavia

we’re in SS units on the Russian front

 

[sxturbo]

Not really, no. It's well documented that Operation Barbarossa and the huge Russian sacrifice turned the war.

It's no secret.

I meant conjecture as to who it was that won the war,

I think it was a number of things that just so happened to have all the planets in correct alignment that came together.

The Russians, the allies, the Germans getting greedy and over stretching resources etc etc.

 

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Russia was so vast

joe Stalin just moved his war production to the Urals well out of range of German air craft

he had zero interest in his troops or army and employed blocking units to shoot retreating Russian troops

he even abandoned his own son who was in German captivity the Germans offered to swap him for some German general

Stalin was not interested his son killed his self he was probably more ruthless than Adolph

 

[noseall]

I think it was a number of things that just so happened to have all the planets in correct alignment that came together.

Operation Barbarossa was a massive egotistical blunder by Hitler and equally huge underestimation of the Russian might, determination and doggedness. 26 MILLION Russians died during WWII. Any other nation would have given up at less than a tenth.

It can easily be stated that OB was the turning point whilst help from the British, Canadians etc was a huge benefit, but not a game changer.

The Russians, the allies, the Germans getting greedy and over stretching resources etc etc.

Quite.

I think it will be a long time before anyone will engage in a land war with Russia.

 

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Joe Stalin had no interest in human life or losses

most Russian prisoners of war that survived were either banged up after the war in gulags or shot / executed

 

[noseall]

Joe Stalin had no interest in human life or losses

Its a military thing. Thousands of British soldiers have been ordered to their certain deaths also.

 

[Bodd]

The British holding Ground was the one most important thing that won the war.

If the British never held out to the German's from the beginning. We could not have supplied the Russians with food and arms. Either way we more than likely be speaking German or Russian tonight had we not stood.

 

[transam]

Its a military thing. Thousands of British soldiers have been ordered to their certain deaths also.

And were any British POWs executed when they returned to Britain

did the British army or the Americans employ blocking units to machine gun retreating troops

 

[Bodd]

Yhh

 

[noseall]

And were any British POWs executed

Only those accused of desertion or cowardice.

 

[noseall]

The British holding Ground was the one most important thing that won the war.

If the British never held out to the German's from the beginning. We could not have supplied the Russians with food and arms. Either way we more than likely be speaking German or Russian tonight had we not stood.

Lol.

 

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Only those accused of desertion or cowardice.

clutching at straws noseall

100s of thousands of Russian troops were killed by there own side

all Russian army units employed commissars political officers that were responsable for the deaths of numerous Russian troops

officers and commanders were executed with impunity if they failed to meet expectations

Stalin was a hopeless military commander

his army purges prior to the German invasion decimated the command / officer structure in the Russian army

it was Zhukov who sorted the army and Stalin eventually had him bumped off due to jealousy

joe Stalin is probably the most ruthless leader of the 20th century

 

[noseall]

clutching at straws noseall

Not at all. Parity is all I'm after. You paint foreigners as all bad and evil whilst trumpeting the merits of the saintly British.

I'm merely pointing out that you are wrong.

 

[^woody^]

How very woke.