ID cards for Voting

[sxturbo]

Why should I be obliged to have one and carry it wherever I go?

Why not?

It's not hurting you, it's not going to cause you any discomfort. It's not offending you.

I've already put some reasons as to how an id card could be useful not just for voting.

Even a solicitor won't work on your behalf with seeing photo identification.

 

[Vinty]

If I.D. is not required to vote, what is to stop someone walking into a voting station and stealing your vote and then going to another voting station and stealing someone elses vote.

 

[Lower]

Why should I be obliged to have one and carry it wherever I go?

Having to produce ID to vote is not the same as being obliged to carry ID at all times.

 

[Vinty]

On the subject of I. D., years ago while living in London i was in a pub with my brother, his mate had failed his driving test a number of times.
Another bloke who overheard the conversation said he knew a taxi driver who would do the test for him, my brothers mate was originally from the Indian sub continent had one of them unpronounceable Indian names.
The only I. D. to be shown at the test centre was a provisional driving licence, i asked my brother how can a taxi driver use someone elses licence as I.D., wouldn't it have the real owners photogragh on it, my brother said no, unlike like N. I. there was no picture on a driving licence, i thought that was incredible.
In the event the taxi driver, who had ginger hair and blue eyes did the driving test using a licence with an Indian name on it.
Fortunately the taxi driver failed the test as the examiner smelt alcohol off him halfway through the test.
I read somewhere that English driving licences now have photographs on them.
Which in my opinion should have happened years ago.

 

[ajohn]

I didn't read all posts but things seem to have gone astray highly unusual.

Fact they are thinking about photo ID being required to vote. Currently that is likely to be either a passport or a drivers license and a card that will be available for people who have neither. Local council will provide those but wonder where the money will come from. Mind you I suppose they already have the facility - bus passes and many have those as well.

 

[JohnD]

Having to produce ID to vote is not the same as being obliged to carry ID at all times.

But it will be an identity card, not a voting card.

What use is a compulsory identity card if you are not obliged to carry it at all times?

When the Gestapo pin you to a wall and shout "Papieren!" if you do not produce suitable evidence you are obviously an enemy of the state.

 

[JohnD]

I read somewhere that English driving licences now have photographs on them.

People with paper licences are not obliged to get a photocard counterpart.

 

[Lower]

But it will be an identity card, not a voting card.

What use is a compulsory identity card if you are not obliged to carry it at all times?

When the Gestapo pin you to a wall and shout "Papieren!" if you do not produce suitable evidence you are obviously an enemy of the state.

As ever, you've taken the argument to its extreme to try to justify your point.

The requirement for ID to vote could be one of many types, eg passport or driving licence for those who have them, a series of alternates for those who don't.

Just because you might be required to produce ID to vote doesn't mean it becomes a mandatory requirement to be carried all the time.The reality is that most people of voting age already carry ID most of the time anyway because our daily lives often require it. Eg CSCS cards for construction workers, NUS cards for students, photographic passes for entry to offices, proof of age for people near the age of 18 to buy alcohol etc. For those people, who would be the majority of voters, its of no significance.

I support proof of ID to vote. I don't support the mandatory carrying of ID otherwise.

 

[JohnD]

Many people own one or more of the alternatives you suggest.

Some of them habitually carry one.

Nobody is currently obliged to carry one.

The people who do not have one of your options are concentrated among the poor, disabled and young. not the sort of people our Conservatives government favours. Perhaps it is a concidence that these are the people who will have obstacles put in their way that will discourage their voting.

Voter suppression is also practiced in the US, particularly in Triumpian Republican states, and aimed specifically at the black population.

 

[IT Minion]

I read somewhere that English driving licences now have photographs on them.
Which in my opinion should have happened years ago.

Yes thankfully it did. 23 years ago.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/renew-driving-licence/#:~:text=Photocard licences replaced paper licences,photocards are out of date.

 

[Lower]

Many people own one or more of the alternatives you suggest.

Some of them habitually carry one.

Nobody is currently obliged to carry one.

The people who do not have one of your options are concentrated among the poor, disabled and young. not the sort of people our Conservatives government favours. Perhaps it is a concidence that these are the people who will have obstacles put in their way that will discourage their voting.

Voter suppression is also practiced in the US, particularly in Triumpian Republican states, and aimed specifically at the black population.

Ah, so your major concern is that it will disadvantage non Tory supporters? Perhaps it is a coincidence that the alleged voter fraud that apparently doesn't happen is concentrated amongst the younger labour supporters? Perhaps it's a coincidence that foreign intervention in our election processes also appears to be targeted at supporting the Labour party?

If compulsory ID to vote is introduced, mechanisms will be put in place to ensure that the poor, disabled and young have easy access to obtaining that ID.

The mandatory carrying of ID is a completely different discussion to requiring ID to vote and one shouldn't be used in an attempt to discredit the other.

 

[Lower]

Yes thankfully it did. 23 years ago.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/renew-driving-licence/#:~:text=Photocard licences replaced paper licences,photocards are out of date.

Only just got my first photo card driving licence. I now carry it all the time in my wallet and its really handy for when i need ID.

Applying for a photocard driving licence was remarkably easy as the DVLA have access to the passport database so my driving licence photo is the photo that appears on my passport.

 

[JohnD]

alleged voter fraud

I hereby allege that voter fraud is carried out by Lower.

I hereby allege that Lower is a Conservative supporter.

I hereby allege that Putin attempts to subvert UK elections in Johnson's favour.

 

[JohnD]

the alleged voter fraud

So, as we see, the alleged voter fraud and foreign intervention is carried out by Conservative supporters like yourself, and their fellow travellers.

Are you ready to move on from allegations and consider provable facts?

How many cases of voter fraud have been detected and successfully prosecuted in the last ten years?

How many of them involved Conservative candidates, and how many Labour candidates?

 

[JohnD]

I'll start you off.

In 2019, four led to a conviction and two individuals were given a police caution.

In 2020, 12 resulted in either no further action or were locally resolved by police. 3 remain under investigation.