New Zealand

[JohnD]

Gender isn't binary. It's only classed like that in societies.

This is not about gender.

It's about sex.

A woman is an adult person of the female sex.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Completely irrelevant for the reasons already given.

An Olympic weightlifter is not made overnight. It takes years, maybe a decade, of training to reach your peak. Men and women peak at around 26 and 25 years respectively.

So, Gavin Hubbard trained as a male weightlifter from puberty until he peaked. He was junior champion. He then transitioned, after his peak.

Explain how that is sporting.

I don't have to, it wasn't my decision.
As just mentioned to transam, sex and gender is not binary. It's only classed like that for sport in societies.
We currently only have male and female classification. So if you have to include athletes, you need to have some way of separating them. The olympic committee currently use their classification. And this athlete has been classed as female.

 

[JohnD]

...As just mentioned to transam, sex and gender is not binary. ...

nonsense.

Sex is binary.

I don't care what gender you declare yourself to be.

if you want to start up a gender-based internatonal sports movement, with an infinite number of categories, go ahead.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

This is not about gender.

It's about sex.

Which is why I have started using "sex and gender", to alleviate any argument about it.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Sex is binary.

Apparently not.

The Sex Spectrum
Yes, even sex is not constrained to a binary!
https://www.usd.edu/diversity-and-i...r-diversity/safe-zone-training/spectrum-model
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Society has in the past considered sex to be binary, but it is currently re-evaluating that.

 

[JP_]

I don't have to, it wasn't my decision.

So, do you support the decision or not?

 

[JohnD]

Which is why I have started using "sex and gender", to alleviate any argument about it.

Sex and gender are not the same thing.

Male and Female are sex categories.

A woman is an adult of the female sex.

Gender is irrelevant.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

What, like Brexit?

They did. But it doesn't mean their decision was fair for female athletes.

“There is no hiding from it, there is a real tension between fairness, inclusivity and protecting women’s sport.”
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1091417/ioc-guidelines-transgender-tokyo-2020

Then they need to address that tension. But excluding someone from sport, because they are transgender, is not the way to go.

 

[JohnD]

Apparently not.

Your link, and your assertion, are nonsense.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

So, do you support the decision or not?

In the given classification of male/female allocation, I support inclusivity, not exclusivity.

 

[JohnD]

Then they need to address that tension. But excluding someone from sport, because they are transgender, is not the way to go.

A person with a cock and balls is not excluded from sport.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Your link, and your assertion, are nonsense.

You'll need to do better than merely claim it as nonsense. You'll need to support your claim with an alternative argument.

 

[JohnD]

In the given classification of male/female allocation, I support inclusivity, not exclusivity.

As you say, you favour denying women the chance to win gold medals in womens sporting competitions.

I don't.

 

[JohnD]

You'll need to do better than merely claim it as nonsense.

What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Your claim is nonsense.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

A person with a cock and balls is not excluded from sport.

Is that the case in this instance?
Or are you talking generally?