wander lead for fluke 2 pole tester

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I have been using the continuity function on my tester to good effect but in many cases been using an old cable as my wander lead to figure out how circuits are connected and to find ends of the same cable. This is messy an the cable doesn't store too well.

Is this a reasonable use of the Fluke 2 pole tester or does it have limitations?
If yes, can you recommend a wander lead that is compatible with my tester?

Thanks in advance.
 
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I have been using the continuity function on my tester to good effect but in many cases been using an old cable as my wander lead to figure out how circuits are connected and to find ends of the same cable. This is messy an the cable doesn't store too well.

Is this a reasonable use of the Fluke 2 pole tester or does it have limitations?
If yes, can you recommend a wander lead that is compatible with my tester?

Connect one terminal of the Fluke to earth and use the earth at the far end in place of a long lead.
 
Not sure exactly what you mean.

Is this a reasonable use of the Fluke 2 pole tester or does it have limitations?
Well, yes, if that is what you are doing.

If yes, can you recommend a wander lead that is compatible with my tester?
Screwfix have a couple but, as you will see, they are quite expensive.
I made one myself but it did not work out that much cheaper.
55m. (approximately) of 1mm² wire is 1Ω - less a tiny bit for the other lead - so easy to deduct from the reading.

It's just a wire so the only non-compatible thing will be the wander lead's 4mm. connectors which won't fit to your tester probes.

If you had a multimeter then the wander lead would just plug into it.
 
Is continuity a binary condition or are there degrees of continuity? The latter wouldn't be possible with my current tester.
I could purchase a long length of earth cable as I think you are suggesting but I have seen that the purpose built leads come in a reel so you only unwind what is required and save them becoming a hazard or getting damaged. I thought I had also seen some where you can push your probe into a designated port in the reel.

Interested in your thoughts and experiences.
 
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Is continuity a binary condition or are there degrees of continuity? The latter wouldn't be possible with my current tester.
I could purchase a long length of earth cable as I think you are suggesting but I have seen that the purpose built leads come in a reel so you only unwind what is required and save them becoming a hazard or getting damaged. I thought I had also seen some where you can push your probe into a designated port in the reel.

Interested in your thoughts and experiences.

Continuity is usually interpreted as meaning a fairly low value of resistance - an items resistance is what you are actually measuring. Where cables are concerned, that usally means sub or less than around 1 Ohm, but every conductor does have some resistance - including the meter probes.

It is that tiny amount of resistance in a cable, which causes it to get warm when under load, so the larger the load, the larger the cable needs to be, to lower its resistance value.
 
Is continuity a binary condition or are there degrees of continuity?
Interesting question!

Traditionally, 'continuity' was, indeed, binary - based on some fairly arbitrary threshold - i.e. yes/no for 'less than X ohms", where X was a low number. Indeed, many test meters use that 'arbitrary threshold' to determine whether or not a, say, buzzer sounds.

However, electricians (and, indeed, much of the test equipment they use) have come to describe the quantitative measurement of low resistances as 'continuity testing', even though they are usually interested in the magnitude of the (usually very small) resistance that is being measured.

Kind Regards, John
 
Interesting question!

Traditionally, 'continuity' was, indeed, binary - based on some fairly arbitrary threshold - i.e. yes/no for 'less than X ohms", where X was a low number. Indeed, many test meters use that 'arbitrary threshold' to determine whether or not a, say, buzzer sounds.

However, electricians (and, indeed, much of the test equipment they use) have come to describe the quantitative measurement of low resistances as 'continuity testing', even though they are usually interested in the magnitude of the (usually very small) resistance that is being measured.

Kind Regards, John
I'm finding that threshold is getting lower and lower, I have some elderly DMM's, the buzzer is 'attached' to a 2nd 200Ω range which will sound if there is any reading, ie the threshold is 199.9Ω. I recently buzzed out some CAT5 cables with a fairly new and cheap DMM, thinking some of the longer cables had been chopped I discovered the threshold is somewhere between 6.6 and 9.6Ω (that's 1.8Ω of wander lead and 4.8Ω per leg of CAT5 vs loop), the 50% longer cables (By guesstimation) did not register continuity using one leg and wander lead.
 
I'm finding that threshold is getting lower and lower, I have some elderly DMM's, the buzzer is 'attached' to a 2nd 200Ω range which will sound if there is any reading, ie the threshold is 199.9Ω. I recently buzzed out some CAT5 cables with a fairly new and cheap DMM, thinking some of the longer cables had been chopped I discovered the threshold is somewhere between 6.6 and 9.6Ω (that's 1.8Ω of wander lead and 4.8Ω per leg of CAT5 vs loop), the 50% longer cables (By guesstimation) did not register continuity using one leg and wander lead.

When I was working a contract in Italy, I had numerous ex-German heavily modified control panels for a very large industrial process machine they had purchased, to try to make sense of / compare to the drawings - hundreds of schematics, all in German. All relays, contactors, sequencers and limit switches - thousands of them. I began to try to decrypt it with a simple analogue test meter on the Ohms range, with an 18 year old Italian lad as an assistant, keen to pick up English and me keen to try to pick up the Italian.

It quickly became obvious that what was needed was a simple dc bell and a battery, to check continuity, so I drew a diagram and explained as best I could what we needed and that was passed up the line to his boss to source one. Next day a ready made electronic continuity gadget turned up, which would make a beep on any continuity below 1k Ohm across its probes. Not a bit of use with so many relay and etc. coils in the panel, almost any point to any point in it would show continuity.

I got around it by permanently shorting the probe connections and putting probes in series with the battery, which made it only beep fully only on quite a low resistance and enabled us to crack on at a pace.
 
When I was working a contract in Italy, I had numerous ex-German heavily modified control panels for a very large industrial process machine they had purchased, to try to make sense of / compare to the drawings - hundreds of schematics, all in German. All relays, contactors, sequencers and limit switches - thousands of them. I began to try to decrypt it with a simple analogue test meter on the Ohms range, with an 18 year old Italian lad as an assistant, keen to pick up English and me keen to try to pick up the Italian.

It quickly became obvious that what was needed was a simple dc bell and a battery, to check continuity, so I drew a diagram and explained as best I could what we needed and that was passed up the line to his boss to source one. Next day a ready made electronic continuity gadget turned up, which would make a beep on any continuity below 1k Ohm across its probes. Not a bit of use with so many relay and etc. coils in the panel, almost any point to any point in it would show continuity.

I got around it by permanently shorting the probe connections and putting probes in series with the battery, which made it only beep fully only on quite a low resistance and enabled us to crack on at a pace.
I feel your grief on that one, a typical 24V relay will be in the order of 500Ω and potentially 2 in series (Via the common 0V) would beep. In one of the panel shops I worked a predecessor had built a lovely bit of test kit for testing the panels but for some silly reason the indicator lights had a FETso the input impedance was stupidly high, one only had to look at it and a light would show:confused:

I started using an XL spreadsheet for reverse engineering panels, (as long as the wires are numbered) it started with a panel of 100 or so 4 pole relays with some crazy interlinks, I took photos then sitting on the train transferred the info to the XL. Once completed it was easy to search for each wire number & sketch.
 
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I'm finding that threshold is getting lower and lower, I have some elderly DMM's, the buzzer is 'attached' to a 2nd 200Ω range which will sound if there is any reading, ie the threshold is 199.9Ω. I recently .... discovered the threshold is somewhere between 6.6 and 9.6Ω ....did not register continuity using one leg and wander lead.
All relays, contactors, sequencers and limit switches - thousands of them. I began to try to decrypt it with a simple analogue test meter on the Ohms range .... Next day a ready made electronic continuity gadget turned up, which would make a beep on any continuity below 1k Ohm across its probes. Not a bit of use with so many relay and etc. coils in the panel, almost any point to any point in it would show continuity.
If one is actually interested in ('binary') continuity testing (rather than resistance measurement) - i.e. to determine 'what is connected to what by wires or other conductors (not components) (e.g. Harry's exercise) - whilst the buzzer/bell can be useful (if one has a lot to do), I suppose one would ideally have a means of adjusting the 'buzzer threshold' according to the circumstances of what one was dealing with - which would presumably be very easy to implement with anything 'electronic' (but not with a bell :) ).

Kind Regards, John
 
If one is actually interested in ('binary') continuity testing (rather than resistance measurement) - i.e. to determine 'what is connected to what by wires or other conductors (not components) (e.g. Harry's exercise) - whilst the buzzer/bell can be useful (if one has a lot to do), I suppose one would ideally have a means of adjusting the 'buzzer threshold' according to the circumstances of what one was dealing with - which would presumably be very easy to implement with anything 'electronic' (but not with a bell :) ).

I was out there staying in a motel, with no workshop facilities, little equipment and even less command of of the Italian language. I was asked if I would be willing to pick the job up on the Monday, spent an hour thinking about it, agreed and was on the plane on the Thursday. My passport had run out, when I agreed to go, so I spent Tuesday at the passport office with a letter from my employer expressing the urgency. The previous guy had arrived on site, taken one look at it and gone back home on the next flight. I was told it was one or two months, but I was still there 12 months later, when the job was finally abandoned for lack of funds.

I was told I would have the help of the Italian companies electrician as my assistant, that didn't happen - instead I had a willing 18 year relative of the owner as an assistant and another 14 year old relative, when he had finished school in the afternoon, helping. I had him/them buzzing the panels through, tracing it all out whilst I sat at a desk with the drawings, telling him the wire numbers to trace, from the relay/contactor number, in Italian and waiting for t\he buzz response. We got it down to a fine art, but it still took months.

The Italian company had basically been sold a massive pup, by Loewe, the German manufacturer of the process equipment. I was contracted to Davey/Loewe, the UK arm, to try to reassemble it all and get it working. The panels and the machinery had stood out in the open for years. The mechanicals were recoverable, but the control panels were obvious scrap, should have been scrapped and the Italians should have been told that, but Davey were making large sums of money out of the job, so they strung them along. I made my opinion known about the condition and was told to shut up. They had built a massive new building to house it all, a mezzanine floor for the high voltage incoming supplies, a long separate bay for all the control panels. I was just starting to study computers, processors in my spare time and thought what a wonderful opportunity to replace all of that relay logic with a CPU - a sort of predecessor to the modern PLC's, which I later became involved with.

It finally came to a stop, when the Italian government stepped in to stop the company spending out of the country and the company itself ran out of money - they went bankrupt soon after. Shame, it was a family business, employing lots of family and they were really nice people. A look on Googlearth, shows the entire place was later flattened and turned into an industrial estate, but the lunchtime trattoria just opposite is still there.
 
Thanks for the responses. Bit technical in parts but I get the gist of it I think.
With my 2 pole tester, I have a binary method of testing continuity (at whatever level of resistance it is set). as a DIY'er I think that's adequate as in most instances, I am looking to trace cables and make sure there aren't any broken links. Assuming you agree with this, I would like to extend this capability my introducing a wander lead which is required in most instances as the probes only stretch around a metre apart.

A few of you have suggested an earth lead to play this role but does it get damaged and become a trip hazard? They also don't have the crocodile clips to snap on to one end of the cable. I'd like some advice around this please.
 
A few of you have suggested an earth lead to play this role but does it get damaged and become a trip hazard? They also don't have the crocodile clips to snap on to one end of the cable. I'd like some advice around this please.

I suggested using the actual earth, if that's what you meant? The earth is/should be common throughout your home, so when testing any earth terminal, to any other earth terminal - there should be a very low resistance. In other words - use that common earth, as your long lead to where ever, instead of a long wire.
 
I suggested using the actual earth, if that's what you meant? The earth is/should be common throughout your home, so when testing any earth terminal, to any other earth terminal - there should be a very low resistance. In other words - use that common earth, as your long lead to where ever, instead of a long wire.

Sorry, still mulling this over...
How would that help me if I am trying to figure out whether a cable popping out of one socket is the same as the cable popping out of another socket in a different part of the house? In the past, I have used a long spare cable and a core of this connected to the wire I am testing continuity on (L/N/E) using a wago and then take the other end of this cable/core to the other socket. Here I stick one probe onto this long cable and the other to the core popping out of the other socket. Note that continuity may only be broken on a L/N/E of a given cable.

Hope I am not barking up the wrong tree
 
Hope I am not barking up the wrong tree

You are......

E_____________________________________E________Meter
+______________wire on test_______________________Meter

+ is where you connect the wire at the far end to the earth terminal local to it. If your meter indicates continuity, then the wire is that same wire.
 

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