Omicron variant caught a cold

[Justin Passing]

Some people here are. The first UK death has already been disputed on this forum. There's a whole thread about it being just like a cold now.

People need to sit back for a bit and see what happens before making claims that could impact other people's lives in a very negative way.

But the only people with their knickers in a twist seem to be the deniers and antis, who once again think advice to wear a mask, get a vaccine and work from home if you can, is a major breach of human rights and freedoms.

I don't think even the morons are saying it's harmless? Maybe I just dismiss the ones who do.
I'm more at odds with the attitude that we don't have a clue, and keep repeating it. We do have a number of clues.
Sure, time will explain more, no s s.

There will be a lot of sick people and the hospitals may not be able to cope but there is good reason for a view on the managing-it side of obliteration.
Drs in SA are reporting far fewer admissions pro rata, and 1/3rd the duration on average so a quick turnaround. Folk are going in with a bad headache, nose, and cough, fatigue, raised heart rate (without loss of smell) but without airway support. We may all get used to that and stay home.
A higher proportion (than almost none with delta)is younger(<40) and some of those are quite ill but the numbers are low. (But we do know those aren't vaccinated in SA.) I daresay we'll adapt to reaction differences.

I don't see why some see a need to take the p out of those observations or those who find them.
Nor do I see why people think it being OK to mix, before we know more about hospital load. We know about flattening the curve.

There is no reason for panicking as we don’t see any severely ill patients.” – Dr Angelique Coetzee, chair of the South African Medical Association.
This witness article is pretty typical. In sheer numbers (not proportions), it's not as bad as might have been expected. Coping. Cases are falling in Gauteng now:
https://www.iol.co.za/news/south-af...care-ceo-c9925933-ab22-4fee-85e7-41694f3d04dc


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OF it or FROM it:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ron-death-victim-fully-jabbed-vulnerable.html

 

[AngleEyes]

No more likely to get it than anyone else surely. The vaccine doesn’t provide some magical cloak as far as i’ve heard.

Then you're listening to the wrong people.
a) it's not a magical cloak, which we all know is a fantasy object, it's a medical scientific protection which we all know works (well most of us). That is why we disinfect drinking water. It's based on science. We ignore the science at our peril.
b) it's not a magical cloak like an invisible cloak means you're either visible or you're not. It provides a great deal of protection, but it's not perfection. Using an example that even you might understand, it's rather like a condom offers a great deal of protection against STDs, but it's not perfect.
c) your desire to relate fantasy objects to vaccines suggests your immature world view of issues, and your lack of intelligent argument.

 

[AngleEyes]

Drs in SA are reporting far fewer admissions pro rata,

There was a similar mysterious decline in hospital emergencies during the early days of the pandemic in UK.
It was assumed that people with minor injuries didn't want to expose themselves to potential infection in hospitals.

 

[AngleEyes]

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OF it or FROM it:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ron-death-victim-fully-jabbed-vulnerable.html

It's a nonsense argument and only serves to encourage the deniers to pursue that avenue.
I'm pretty sure that if someone dies from being hit by a bus, that is what would be recorded on the death certificate. And, in addition, an inquiry of some sort would ensue.
I assume that sometimes it is difficult to determine exactly the cause of death if someone has Covid and they suffer, say, some organ failure.
Was the cause for the organ failure: Covid, or was there some other underlying cause?

 

[denso13]

Was the cause for the organ failure: Covid, or was there some other underlying cause?

Doctors record the reasons for death "to the best of their knowledge and belief". Sadly some people think the medical profession are lying murderers.

 

[Notch7]

Pretty much every medicine has side effects

Its funny how anti vaxxers dont complain about other medicines -I cant believe none of then whining on here have never had any medication prescirbed

I bet they dont even bother reading the leaflet in the packet.

 

[Vinty]

Apparently there are only 11 people in hospital with omicron.
The bloke who died with it was in his early 70s, unvaccinated and a conspiracy theorist.

 

[ajohn]

anti vaxxers

They also need to avoid all vaccines. Fact of life. Activating the immune system this way can cause a small number of people "problems". The decease can as well. The approval people balance these aspects out looking for a positive gain over the disease itself.

Info on what covid does is coming in at a rate of knots all of the time and over all ages. It is on the vaccines as well.

Introducing a new vaccine. The covid ones are no different to others. They have one. They get tested, volunteers initially in relatively small numbers and then far more people. At that point a decision is made and they are given to a very large number of people. In covid's case older people as plenty of examples of what covid does to them. One catch really - the available vaccines. They still aren't sure which one is most effective. Looking at peoples actual immunity levels isn't easy. Some work was done recently. A limited number of people in a few care homes.

I know of one person on the web that is still waiting for covid vaccine side effects to appear. No vaccine has been monitored for that long once it has been introduced. Some such as polio have changed at times. They just give them to a very large number of people to see if they achieve anything. The initial testing will be as per the usual. The only way to test effectiveness involves injecting a lot of people.

 

[ajohn]

Apparently there are only 11 people in hospital with omicron.

Don't be mislead. They can't sequence the virus of everybody that goes into hospital. They can do loads more than they could but it's still a sample.

 

[Justin Passing]

There was a similar mysterious decline in hospital emergencies during the early days of the pandemic in UK.
It was assumed that people with minor injuries didn't want to expose themselves to potential infection in hospitals.

Not mysterious. This was on account of seriousness of the symptoms pro rata to the number of cases, not a temporal response. Delta was loading the hospitals, though not to saturation, and those with omicron wouldn't know which they had.

 

[Notch7]

Omicron R number is between 3 and 5

 

[Notch7]

Chris Whitty projections for the pandemic are:

the risks will diminish incrementally -so we wont keep seeing repeated variants causing lockdowns
and in 18 months to 2 year there will be more anti-virals and polyvalent vaccines will protect against variants

and Ellal will still be dithering about getting jabbed

 

[Justin Passing]

Don't be mislead. They can't sequence the virus of everybody that goes into hospital. They can do loads more than they could but it's still a sample.

That's getting a little more nuanced. PCR testing within hospitals is routinely next day, and can using the S gene target failure that tells them whether it's omicron, if it's the more common BA.1 omicron variant. Unfortunately there's a smaller but significant number with the omicron variant BA.2. That's been called the "stealth" variant because it doesn't have the S gene target failure. That requires a full sequencing which takes longer. No indication yet on differential subvariant pathogenicity.

TV interview person said there are currently 15 in hosp with omicron currently and they can't judge severity until they have 250. (Which implies that even if there are 50 million cases and 240 in hospital they won't know if it's serious or not...! )
A new count coming this pm.

 

[Justin Passing]

Omicron R number is between 3 and 5

You were obvs watching the same broadcast. Interestingly she also said 2 jabs pfizer gives 40% protection, and booster after 8 weeks 70%, against symptomatic infection for omicron.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Chris Whitty projections for the pandemic are:

the risks will diminish incrementally -so we wont keep seeing repeated variants causing lockdowns
and in 18 months to 2 year there will be more anti-virals and polyvalent vaccines will protect against variants

and Ellal will still be dithering about getting jabbed

Only if he survives - remember Darwin.