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ajohn said:
However only a relatively small proportion of the population has actually caught covid
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Maybe this is the other "problem". At least 2 people on this forum call me a liar when I have said I have had covid, which I find baffling. "Only" about 11.4 million Brits have tested positive for covid, which is only 17% of the population. Of course, many more than that have had it (neither my eldest son or I were tested positive when we had it, due to tests not existing at the time) and I know several others that have had it but were never tested for it (one had covid antibodies and didn't even know he had caught it).

It is very possible that half the population might have been exposed to it and have antibodies. But we just don't know. SPI-M-O are predicting that there could be up to 2 million new cases a day by New Year.

Luckily, we have a vaccine so a trip to the supermarket is no longer like playing Russian roulette.
 
Notch7 said:
theyve made a wrong decision
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The point is they haven’t made a decision. Doing nothing isn’t doing something which means they can decide at a later date to make a decision. The vaccinated on the other hand have made an irreversible decision come what may. Maybe that’s why they feel cheated and angry.
 
 
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Godwasaplasterer said:
The point is they haven’t made a decision. Doing nothing isn’t doing something which means they can decide at a later date to make a decision. The vaccinated on the other hand have made an irreversible decision come what may. Maybe that’s why they feel cheated and angry.
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So are you still undecided?
By the tone of your innumerable anti-vaxxer posts, I would have put you in the very earnest anti-vaxxer conspiracy camp.
 
 
denso13 said:
Vaccines are better than natural immunity but natural immunity plus the vaccine is the best approach.
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There has been a study where this was looked at in detail on care home people here that says the same thing. Proper immunity level testing which is not easy to do so limited number of people involved.

Then comes the govs own report on vaccine effectiveness which of course is statistical. A weakness in that may be more care on not catching covid as age increases but my impression is that this fell off to some extent recently and that happened sooner with lower age groups.
 
Also the time since either is important. Exposure 2 years ago with no vaccine is unlikely to provide enough protection to avoid catching the latest variants.
 
ajohn said:
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we all remember the early surge in deaths when unvaccinated care home residents were infected by COVID sufferers discharged from hospital.

Only the idiot antivaxxers would commend such practice.

Once care home residents were vaccinated as a priority, deaths dropped dramatically.
 
Antiovaxxers don't want the pandemic to end. They want more people to catch it, spread it and die. They want businesses to fail. Nobody knows why they want this.
There is no other explanation for their beliefs that thoroughly tested vaccines should not be used to treat deadly disease.
 
JP_ said:
There is no other explanation for their beliefs that thoroughly tested vaccines should not be used to treat deadly disease.
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I do sometimes ask them why they prefer the option that results in the most deaths

but they won't say.
 
JP_ said:
There is no other explanation for their beliefs that thoroughly tested vaccines should not be used to treat deadly disease.
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There is another possible explanation for the decisions made by some of the deniers and anti-vaccers,.... Fear of dying from Covid

This fear can be removed from them by deluding themselves into believing that Covid is a myth and they know that a mythical virus cannot affect their health,

If they accept the vaccine then they undermine their confidence that Covid is a myth,
 
Notch7 said:
Ive noticed its the unvaccinated who are ever so angry....I guess its because they know theyve made a wrong decision
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Correct and it makes absolutely no logic, why would they be angry, what have they to be angry about, other than annoyed with their own wrong decision.
 
JP_ said:
Antiovaxxers don't want the pandemic to end. They want more people to catch it, spread it and die. They want businesses to fail. Nobody knows why they want this.
There is no other explanation for their beliefs that thoroughly tested vaccines should not be used to treat deadly disease.
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Obvious, innit? Judging by some of their posts in this forum they are just mentally weird - they don't do logical, normal, joined up thinking.
 
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