Randy Andy

[JohnD]

Ghislaine Maxwell has been convicted of grooming and trafficking underage girls for financier Jeffrey Epstein

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-59435616

 

[Notch7]

Andy must be getting awfully twitchy

 

[Vinty]

Nothing has happened to innocent until guilty. But you appear to want him to avoid scrutiny because his Mother is the queen.
No-one is or should be beyond the law, and he should be subject to the same level of innocence or guilty as anyone else, not benefit from an advantaged position because his mother is the queen.

When there is the prospect of huge compensation, then that is an inducement to tell lies.
I wouldn't like to be a multimillionaire in todays America or a member of the Royal family for that matter.

 

[JohnD]

Vinty has bought the Maxwell defence

"Smear the victims.

Let the criminals claim victimhood"

 

[Vinty]

Often when the criminal legal system fails to act then a civil lawsuit is the only way to get some form of justice

When the legal system fails to act, its usually because there isn't enough evidence to secure a reasonable prospect of conviction.
In a civil lawsuit the evidential bar is set a lot lower and if the accused is wealthy, then there is a chance they will settle out of court, whether they are guilty or not.

 

[Vinty]

Vinty has bought the Maxwell defence

"Smear the victims.

Let the criminals claim victimhood"

It is a factor in this case.

 

[Vinty]

Vinty has bought the Maxwell defence

"Smear the victims.

Let the criminals claim victimhood"

If Epstein was a muslim in Rotherham or Rochdale would you still say that.

 

[JohnD]

It is a factor in this case.

Yes, the victim-smearing by the criminal team has been disgusting.

 

[Vinty]

Yes, the victim-smearing by the criminal team has been disgusting.

These girls knew full well what Epstein and Maxwell were up to.
The girl accussing Prince Andy was 17 not 7 ffs.

 

[JohnD]

"Blame the victims" shouts Vinty.

 

[Vinty]

"Blame the victims" shouts Vinty.

I am not blaming anyone.
One of these girls had been in and out of Epsteins house hundreds of times.
She had plenty of opportunity to go to the police.

 

[AngleEyes]

I am not blaming anyone.
One of these girls had been in and out of Epsteins house hundreds of times.
She had plenty of opportunity to go to the police.

Are you now suggesting that young girls that are 'lured' or 'groomed' are deserving of all they get?

 

[JohnD]

I wouldn't like to be a multimillionaire in todays America or a member of the Royal family for that matter.

life is hard for billionaires who like schoolgirls, says Vinty.

 

[JohnD]

These girls knew full well what Epstein and Maxwell were up to.
The girl accussing Prince Andy was 17 not 7 ffs.

"The prosecution's opening statement to the jury began with 11 words that sounded like the start of a children's book.

"I want to tell you about a young girl named Jane."

But for these women this was no fairytale. It was a nightmare and it was very real. How real became apparent the following day when Jane took the stand.

She testified that Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein approached her when she was 14 years old at a summer arts camp in 1994.

Over the next two years, she said she was abused about every other week with Maxwell sometimes taking part. This was one of her key exchanges with prosecutors:

Q. What was Maxwell's demeanour like during these incidents?

A. I would say that it seemed very casual, like it was - like it was very normal, like it was not a big deal.

Q. And when she behaved like that, how did that make you feel?

A. Well, it made me feel confused because that did not feel normal to me; I'd never seen anything like this or felt any of this, and it was very embarrassing. You know, it's all these mixed emotions. When you're 14, you have no idea what's going on.

The other accusers would later recount similar experiences."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59736227

Vinty the apologist has more sympathy for the hard-done by criminals than for their victims.

 

[JohnD]

When there is the prospect of huge compensation, then that is an inducement to tell lies.
I wouldn't like to be a multimillionaire in todays America or a member of the Royal family for that matter.

"A hard drive recovered during a separate raid by the FBI of Epstein's Manhattan mansion contained emails sent by Ghislaine Maxwell to a staff member in which she complains that the house manager, Juan Alessi, did not tidy up Epstein's massage creams.

That led the police to Mr Alessi, who provided some of the most damning and X-rated corroborating testimony in the whole trial. Reporters covering the case had to hurriedly write notes to keep up with his startling revelations about the household.

He told the court that Epstein would have three massages a day. When Mr Alessi would clean up after, he would put the sex toys back where they belonged, in a basket in Ghislaine Maxwell's closet, off the master bedroom she shared with Epstein.

Mr Alessi said Epstein or Maxwell would sometimes direct him to contact and pick up young women for massages. He recalled seeing two underage girls that appeared to be 14 or 15 years old, Jane and Virginia Roberts. House rules, including in a 59-page manual, Mr Alessi said, told staff to be deaf, dumb and blind and forbade them from making eye contact with Epstein.

"There was a culture of silence. That was by design, the defendant's design, because behind closed doors, the defendant and Epstein were committing heinous crimes," Assistant US Attorney Lara Pomerantz said."

Poor, persecuted predators, says Vinty.